Dance Competitions! What do u feel about them?

[Patrick]

http://www.mjda.org/forum/

That all looks spookily familiar, only in an eerie bluey colour... a bit like the Twiight Zone. And they have a special competitions forum... Not sure if I dare enter yet

I see Gus is the newest member

[Andy McGregor]

That all looks spookily familiar, only in an eerie bluey colour... a bit like the Twiight Zone. And they have a special competitions forum... Not sure if I dare enter yet

I see Gus is the newest member

Is there enough time in your life for another dance forum? If there is my answer would be "get one", a life that is

[David Bailey]

I see Gus is the newest member

[David Bailey]

Re: Ceroc X competition:

So what did they say David? I tried some Ceroc X last night. It is horribly difficult! I found that typically I can only do 2 beginners moves before getting an uncontrollable urge to do something else.

I finally remembered to ask Tezi last night about this (she's on the Forum but has a life so probably doesn't read this), and apparently there are no variations allowed - each move has to be the exact timing and structure as taught in the class. If you vary, you're disqualified.

So, that answers that then.

[Baruch]

apparently there are no variations allowed - each move has to be the exact timing and structure as taught in the class. If you vary, you're disqualified.

So how on earth do they judge it, then? Is it a case of whoever doesn't get disqualified for putting in an extra turn here or a ronde there wins by default?

[TheTramp]

So how on earth do they judge it, then? Is it a case of whoever doesn't get disqualified for putting in an extra turn here or a ronde there wins by default?

Sounds quite interesting. I'd love to see whoever devised the idea for this competition doing a demo of just how they envisaged this competition working.

It obviously did. I just can't imagine it at the moment, based on the info I've read so far. Maybe I should have come down to London last year and watched it!

[David Bailey]

So how on earth do they judge it, then? Is it a case of whoever doesn't get disqualified for putting in an extra turn here or a ronde there wins by default?

I dunno, what do you think I am, a judge or something?

Presumably, if there were several couples still standing at the end (so to speak), then you could still judge between them based on musicality (i.e. choice of moves to fit the music), connection, style, posture, presentation and all that other stuff.

[Gadget]

I dunno, what do you think I am, a judge or something?

Presumably, if there were several couples still standing at the end (so to speak), then you could still judge between them based on musicality (i.e. choice of moves to fit the music), connection, style, posture, presentation and all that other stuff.

How can you have musicality without varying the timeing? How can you present a move with style if it has to be executed exactly as the bible dictates?

I wonder if people get disqualified for not keeping on the same "slot" and rotating? After all, that's the way all the moves are taught.

[TheTramp]

How can you have musicality without varying the timeing? How can you present a move with style if it has to be executed exactly as the bible dictates?

I wonder if people get disqualified for not keeping on the same "slot" and rotating? After all, that's the way all the moves are taught.

This is what I can't quite work out about the competition. Like I said, maybe I should have gone along to watch....

[David Bailey]

How can you have musicality without varying the timeing? How can you present a move with style if it has to be executed exactly as the bible dictates?

I presume that's the challenge.

I'd guess that some moves are more suited to certain bits of music than others - it's not as if they're all the same timing after all. "Musicality" isn't just "slowing down to slow music and pausing on the breaks", apparently.

Similarly, it's possible to dance a First Move both well and badly - and other moves as well.

In some ways, not having the standard "box of tricks" makes it more difficult to dance well, but it also means you have to dance well, you don't get the luxury of slowing down to catch a break, for example.

I wonder if people get disqualified for not keeping on the same "slot" and rotating? After all, that's the way all the moves are taught.

I doubt it - Robin and Tezi are natural circular dancers not slotted.

This is what I can't quite work out about the competition. Like I said, maybe I should have gone along to watch....

- rather than ask me, who also wasn't there.

Or PM Robin / Tezii. Or watch the champs this weekend. Or something...

[Patrick]

Re: Ceroc X Rules...

- rather than ask me, who also wasn't there.

Or PM Robin / Tezii. Or watch the champs this weekend. Or something...

I am a little to admit that, having properly read the Ceroc X Rules on the Ceroc Champs website, it is pretty clear what is and isn't allowed!

There is a little flexibility for musical interpretation.

The details are probably academic, because it seems nigh on impossible to dance even 10 beginner moves in a row without slipping into something else which just seems to fit the music! I broke my record on Sunday while 'rehearsing' Ceroc X in a freestyle. I did a first move first , but couldn't resist going into an intermediate move next as it just seemed to fit better Now I only need to fluff the first move (which doesn't have to be a First Move of course) for immediate disqualification!

It now occurs to me that beginners might have a better chance than I thought in this section - not knowing any other moves would be an advantage.

Patrick

[David Bailey]

It now occurs to me that beginners might have a better chance than I thought in this section - not knowing any other moves would be an advantage.

But then you'd lose out on the "not looking very good" stakes.

In theory, anyone can last a track, just by doing First Moves all the time.

The trick, I imagine, is to provide enough variation to look good, whilst still keeping to the strict rules and moves allowed.

[Patrick]

But then you'd lose out on the "not looking very good" stakes.

In theory, anyone can last a track, just by doing First Moves all the time.

The trick, I imagine, is to provide enough variation to look good, whilst still keeping to the strict rules and moves allowed.

I was just thinking exactly the same thing! I'm not sure I could last out just by doing First Moves either, something possesses me at certain points in a track, and I just can'r resist going into some favourite move or sequence.

My objective for Ceroc X first time will be just to avoid disqualification!

[David Bailey]

I was just thinking exactly the same thing! I'm not sure I could last out just by doing First Moves either, something possesses me at certain points in a track, and I just can'r resist going into some favourite move or sequence.

My objective for Ceroc X first time will be just to avoid disqualification!

Well, from what I dimly recall from talking to R & T, they didn't do all 16, just a subset - so you could vary, say, 5-6 moves throughout if you want?

[Gadget]

I'd guess that some moves are more suited to certain bits of music than others - it's not as if they're all the same timing after all. "Musicality" isn't just "slowing down to slow music and pausing on the breaks", apparently.

And that's not simply "timing" - in my opinion it's more to do with only actually being on the "count" when it matters (ie where a move changes direction or {in this case} on the 'reset' position.) You slow down, hesitate, move late or early,... sort of like not dancing in time but always try and hit the count at the correct place.... hard to explain - easier to demonstrate.

I think I will try tonight and see how board I get just doing beginner moves as decreed in the bible. (or if I even can......)

[ElaineB]

And since when has a Conventional MJ routine ever featured in a showcase The sources I heard seemed to suggest (and I heard similar wrt the Blackpool champs) is that it was down to pure 'entertainment' value. Now, we just need to define 'entertainment'

Do you know, I could have sworn we did a bit of dancing as well.........


Elaine

[Gus]

Do you know, I could have sworn we did a bit of dancing as well......... [

Well you actually did some pretty awesome dancing ....

[Ste]

Well I only like to dance with beginners because I can't cope with intermediates!

I only have three moves now;good, bad and indifferent