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    Ceroc on Wikipedia

    Just had a thought - this should be in Geeks Corner not Chit Chat - its more wikipedia rules comments than Ceroc comments...


    Wikipedia, that bastion of truth and knowledge is kept that way by a set of important rules one of which is Neutral Point of View (NPOV) - a fundamental Wikipedia principle which states that all articles must be written from a neutral point of view

    which made me think this was quite funny...

    this is from the Ceroc Wikipedia entry here
    Ceroc was invented in London, England, by James Cronin
    Invented? A new company with a dance variation as its product saw its roots in London yes....but a new invention? Too much credit?

    One of the fantastic things about Ceroc Enterprises as an organisation is the uniformity of the safety standards set solidly in the minds of its instructor
    I can just imagine an impartial review of a company like ESSO starting with "One of the fantastic things about ESSO is it tries to be kind to seals in alaska..". or the Adolf Hitler entry; "One of the fantastic things about Adolf..."

    Ceroc venues run regular classes, every week, seven days a week 24 hours a day (for all the dedicated dancers out there).
    plug...

    Ceroc UK Championships....This is an annual dance event...etc..
    plug..

    In 1990, one of the original Ceroc Franchisees, Robert Austin, (who had broken away from Ceroc to form LeJive) coined the phrase "Modern Jive". This description later became a generic term * Ceroc that was used by teachers and clubs that were not part of the newly created Ceroc Enterprise.
    Is this Point Of View? Even if the dance itself was Ceroc, Ceroc then became a company so the dance itself has to have a name. This paragraph suggests that Ceroc is not modern jive but "Ceroc" and that the new "modern jive" clubs were mere offshoots that brought nothing new. POV? This sort of thing is usually frowned upon in Wikipedia too.

    *Im assuming there should be a for here.

    An Intromediate or Bridging class
    Slightly biased toward Australian Ceroc this? possibly, especially as the majority of the links at the bottom are for Australia and New Zealand.

    Compare the Ceroc entry to the modern jive entry which is far more impartial and reads much less like an advert.

    Comments ? DavidJames?

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    I've made some changes to the article. Ideally it needs editing by someone who was around at the various historical events referred to.

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    I've never seen or heard of a snow ball at Ceroc or Modern Jive ( other than the wikipedia article ) - only in travelling ballroom dances.

    Maybe that is an Australian/NZ thing - or I just don't get around the UK enough.

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    I've never seen or heard of a snow ball at Ceroc or Modern Jive ( other than the wikipedia article ) - only in travelling ballroom dances.

    Maybe that is an Australian/NZ thing - or I just don't get around the UK enough.
    We do them in Australia thats for sure! a great way to mix people up

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    I've made some changes to the article. Ideally it needs editing by someone who was around at the various historical events referred to.
    For the historicals and a legitimate 'other view' suggest you review the Keeble (Le Roc) hostory ... its on her website. Also, people like Roger Chin and James Hamilton were around more or less at the start.

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WIKI
    In 1990, one of the original Ceroc Franchisees, Robert Austin, (who had broken away from Ceroc to form LeJive) coined the phrase "Modern Jive". This description later became a generic term * Ceroc that was used by teachers and clubs that were not part of the newly created Ceroc Enterprise.
    Is this Point Of View? Even if the dance itself was Ceroc, Ceroc then became a company so the dance itself has to have a name. This paragraph suggests that Ceroc is not modern jive but "Ceroc" and that the new "modern jive" clubs were mere offshoots that brought nothing new. POV? This sort of thing is usually frowned upon in Wikipedia too.
    Wiki is incorrect. John Lennon sang, in about 1970
    "I got no kick against modern jive...give me rock and roll music, if you wanna dance with me."

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Comments ? DavidJames?
    Not really - I didn't do it

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    I have an ignorant question. Why is the Licensing Act (2003) linked to by the article as further reading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo View Post
    I have an ignorant question. Why is the Licensing Act (2003) linked to by the article as further reading?
    because there was a comment in the entry about closing times at weekends as if licencing laws were a big shock to the creator of this entry

    The start time varies from venue to venue, according to local circumstances (and the day of the week — Sunday classes often start earlier in order to comply with English and Scottish licensing laws, which require that music and dancing be licensed), but is generally between 7pm and 8pm.

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    I've never seen or heard of a snow ball at Ceroc or Modern Jive ( other than the wikipedia article ) - only in travelling ballroom dances.

    Maybe that is an Australian/NZ thing - or I just don't get around the UK enough.
    I've taken part in snowballs for birthdays etc, but only at Maidstone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    For the historicals and a legitimate 'other view' suggest you review the Keeble (Le Roc) hostory ... its on her website. Also, people like Roger Chin and James Hamilton were around more or less at the start.
    or on this forum there are pages from Michel Ange Lau. :-
    http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/s...light=ange+lau

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    Re: Ceroc on Wikipedia

    The entry seems to have improved somewhat - I removed this line ... " It is mostly danced by the white middle aged middle class." - who on earth wrote that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    The entry seems to have improved somewhat - I removed this line ... " It is mostly danced by the white middle aged middle class." - who on earth wrote that?
    Rubbish grammar as well. Did the writer mean 'it is mostly the white middle aged middle class who dance it', or 'the white middle aged middle class mostly dance this', or what?

    If the first, I don't think it's that far off. Never seen a nob at an MJ venue, and there aren't a lot of working class people there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    If the first, I don't think it's that far off. Never seen a nob at an MJ venue, and there aren't a lot of working class people there...
    Plenty of knobs. Not many toffs. What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post

    If the first, I don't think it's that far off. Never seen a nob at an MJ venue, and there aren't a lot of working class people there...
    Probably the first; statistically its maybe even true but its as useful as Blockbuster confirming that same thing about most of their customers, or a Tesco metro for their shoppers..or...! It brings to the fore something that is entirely irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Probably the first; statistically its maybe even true but its as useful as Blockbuster confirming that same thing about most of their customers, or a Tesco metro for their shoppers..or...! It brings to the fore something that is entirely irrelevant.
    Maybe. You might want to know if you were a working class young black person...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo View Post
    Plenty of knobs. Not many toffs. What?
    I still can't rep you. Is there a list of rules somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Maybe. You might want to know if you were a working class young black person...
    why? should it mention the percentage of redheads too in case you have celtic heritage and might feel left out if there arent enough for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    I still can't rep you. Is there a list of rules somewhere?
    The only rule I can think of is that if you try to rep me and find you can't, you must immediately send me a £50 note. PM me for the address - and make sure the note is crisp and clean. Nothing tatty please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    why? should it mention the percentage of redheads too in case you have celtic heritage and might feel left out if there arent enough for you?
    I stand by what I posted. If you are a person of a particular ethnic and social group it is highly likely that you will wish to socialise with similar persons. (Except me; I only want to socialise with young blonde women. Ok, young women in general.)

    Perhaps you feel a little peeved about being grouped with the rest of us white middle aged middle class types..?

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