The Ceroc(tm) bounce is official!

[Gus]

OK ... so now I'm being cruel ... but I have evidence that the 'bounce' is part of the official Ceroc teaching. What? You dare to doubt my word? Well feast your eyes on the teaching clip on this Ceroc website http://www.clubceroc.com/. and to think I've been doing it wrong all these years.

[El Salsero Gringo]

OK ... so now I'm being cruel ... but I have evidence that the 'bounce' is part of the official Ceroc teaching. What? You dare to doubt my word? Well feast your eyes on the teaching clip on this Ceroc website http://www.clubceroc.com/. and to think I've been doing it wrong all these years.

Hands are bouncing slightly, bodies are not. I've got a clip of James Cronin teaching which is so bouncy even the stage is going up and down with him by the end of the clip. What's your point?

[Gus]

Hands are bouncing slightly, bodies are not. I've got a clip of James Cronin teaching which is so bouncy even the stage is going up and down with him by the end of the clip. What's your point?

Urrr.... thought the whole point was NOT to count the beat with the hand? Or have things changed yet again? If you start seeing it from the stage little surprise that dancers pick it up and end up body bouncing or have I missed the point?

[David Bailey]

Hands are bouncing slightly, bodies are not. I've got a clip of James Cronin teaching which is so bouncy even the stage is going up and down with him by the end of the clip. What's your point?

That Bouncing Is Evil.

Or, that it's not.

Something like that.

[straycat]

That Bouncing Is Evil.

Or, that it's not.

Something like that.

[ducasi]

Hands are bouncing slightly, bodies are not. I've got a clip of James Cronin teaching which is so bouncy even the stage is going up and down with him by the end of the clip. What's your point?

I'd argue it's better for the bodies to bounce and not the hands, than the other way around...

[David Bailey]

By the way, "clubceroc.com" - now that's a good name for a nightclub ceroc URL...

[El Salsero Gringo]

Urrr.... thought the whole point was NOT to count the beat with the hand? Or have things changed yet again? If you start seeing it from the stage little surprise that dancers pick it up and end up body bouncing or have I missed the point?

I don't recall anyone making a big point in CTA training about *not* bouncing the hand - it was mentioned, but I don't recall it being anything other than a style point. I know - I think you should give Paul a ring and give him the benefit of your opinion. I quite sure he'd waste no time in thanking you.

Better still, I'll just send him an email with a link to your comments.

Tessalicious came up with a good theory about why the bouncing -as a way of marking the beat when you're not dancing to music, just like Paul's doing in the clip.

I'd argue it's better for the bodies to bounce and not the hands, than the other way around...

I'm sure I've read exactly the opposite opinion on the forum also.

[El Salsero Gringo]

By the way, "clubceroc.com" - now that's a good name for a nightclub ceroc URL...

It would be if it weren't the name of the Greenford/Uxbridge franchise.

I've just had an idea of what could be genius proportions... why don't we get Gus to post a video of himself teaching, and we could all comment on that?

[Gus]

I don't recall anyone making a big point in CTA training about *not* bouncing the hand - it was mentioned, but I don't recall it being anything other than a style point. .

Well done ... didn't realise you'd been CTA trained Have you kept that quiet or did I just miss it

[straycat]

I'm sure I've read exactly the opposite opinion on the forum also.

Yeah - but it was wrong

[El Salsero Gringo]

Well done ... didn't realise you'd been CTA trained Have you kept that quiet or did I just miss it

It's said "Ceroc Teacher" under my name (to the left) for the last few weeks. You obviously don't pay much attention.

[David Bailey]

It would be if it weren't the name of the Greenford/Uxbridge franchise.

See, there's always a killjoy around with trivial objections.

I've just had an idea of what could be genius proportions... why don't we get Gus to post a video of himself teaching, and we could all comment on that?

Why stop at Gus? Why not video every teacher (yes, even you) and post it in a special area on the Forum? It'd be great...

Well done ... didn't realise you'd been CTA trained Have you kept that quiet or did I just miss it

It was the subtle "Ceroc Teacher" signature that gave me my first miniscule hint, I had to do a lot of detective work after that. In fact, I think I feel violated that ESG didn't come out and tell us all, in advance - I assumed the stuff happening on Thursdays in Muswell Hill was all a party or something.

Still not tired of milking the violated thing...

EDIT: hell, now I'm copying ESG - SF and Cruella are copying me, so there's clearly a Pied Piper thing going on here

[Gus]

It's said "Ceroc Teacher" under my name (to the left) for the last few weeks. You obviously don't pay much attention.

Sorry .. once an Ass, always an Ass. Look forward to seeing how the new crop of CTA is doing. Given the standard of Dan H you have a high standard to maintain.

[Gus]

I've just had an idea of what could be genius proportions... why don't we get Gus to post a video of himself teaching, and we could all comment on that?

Actualy, intentions aside, not a bad idea. The shame is I've sort of been retiring for a while so don't teach much but I will see if I've got any archive footage around. Sure it will it give plenty of ammunition and much source for amusement ... but who cares. Should never take oneself too seriously.

[straycat]

Given the standard of Dan H you high standard to maintain.

You grammar Yoda lessons from?

[Gus]

You grammar Yoda lessons from?

Don't know what you are talking about Praise be for the edit button Anyway, I think Yoda is way better at typing at speed than I am.

[El Salsero Gringo]

Sorry .. once an Ass, always an Ass. Look forward to seeing how the new crop of CTA is doing. Given the standard of Dan H you have a high standard to maintain.

You forgot to mention that I'm far too pretty to be patronised.

[ducasi]

I don't recall anyone making a big point in CTA training about *not* bouncing the hand - it was mentioned, but I don't recall it being anything other than a style point.

The handhold is an important part of the connection. Through it much of the lead is transmitted.

Typical "signals" transmitted through this link are "move forward", "move back", "stop", and "move to the side". If the hand is bouncing up and down at the same time then we also get the signals "move up" and "move down".

Unless you actually want your follower to bounce up and down as she moves, then these last two signals are *noise* in the transmission of the lead. As such, they have to be filtered out by the follower so that she can follow the actual desired movement.

So bouncing hands makes for an unclear lead. Bouncing body is up to the person dancing, and is part of a person's style. (Not a style I'd want, but if the lead is clear, the leader can adopt any style he/she wishes.)

The teachers who taught me this important lesson were not just chanting lines from the CTA moves book. They were actually aware of what makes a good leader.

[David Bailey]

You forgot to mention that I'm far too pretty to be patronised.

People could always yell "Well done" at the end of the class?