Well, I saw more triple steps than I saw single steps. I don't think they'd have looked any smoother if they replaced the triples with singles - quite the opposite, in fact.Originally Posted by Mr Cool
[quote=Mr Cool]Originally Posted by cleveden boy
That's the best lindy I've seen to date. Really fun and funky, and no hint of the dreaded bounce.Originally Posted by Mr Cool
I might just manage to do something to that slower section towards the end.
Well, I saw more triple steps than I saw single steps. I don't think they'd have looked any smoother if they replaced the triples with singles - quite the opposite, in fact.Originally Posted by Mr Cool
The first thing that Kevin does is lead a 6 count basic step rock step triple step triple step (modified by left foot tapping wide but it's still a triple). After 23 seconds he leads a 6 count change places & those feet of his are doing things that I'd describe as triple steps. At 30 seconds there's a very stylish lindy turn variant - 8 count pattern using triples. There are many more examples.Originally Posted by Mr Cool
Again all I can conclude is that you are talking about is that badly performed triple step patterns look bad, which I agree with completely. But I think you're missing a point somewhere. When we begin learning to triple step most of us lurch from foot to foot. After a bit of practice that smooths down into eventually minimal movements (this is where I think I am now). Those who've gone a bit further gain confidence and their triple steps can be more intricate - if they choose , but it's still on the same timing - they are after all still dancing on the beat.
As a note, Kevin is tending to use a slightly different style for his rock step... this is still Lindy, and quite common among some of the more talented Lindy dancers I've known... but there is still a lot of the basic Lindy structure there.Originally Posted by Mr Cool
You didn't happen to be lucky enough to dance with Ania, did you? If not, look her up! She is a fabulous dancer. Neglected her MJ a bit in favour of Swing but terrific musicality, possibly best in NZ, and you need to see her on the loose doing fast Swing! Ania used to dance and last year also started teaching for Paul Tanuvasa at Waitakere. Now that he has jumped boat I am not sure if she is still there or has move over to Le Bop, too.Originally Posted by pjay
Nothing basic about this guys dancing. Top Class.Originally Posted by pjay
Swing for me is about musicality style and footwork not regimented bouncy routines we see so often
Is that how you spell Ania name... I though it might be Anya, or Anja... yes, she is fantastic, if you've been reading my thread on the CMJ forum about dancing in Auckland you'll see me referring to "two new favourite Auckland dancers," she is one of them. She is dancing with Le Bop now, and has a 6mo daughter Emily.Originally Posted by Andreas
Had a lovely dance with her the other night - combination of Lindy & MJ .
Polish origin, hence the different spelling.Originally Posted by pjay
Great, you certainly met the best female dancer around Akl. Say hi if you see her, please.
I will certainly say hi for you next time I see her.Originally Posted by Andreas
And given that she is rating very highly on my enjoy dancing with, I will probably be looking for opportunities
I tend to 'feel' musical timing rather than consciously think about it too much so I'm not speaking with much knowledge here...I overheard the local Lindy beginners class being taught that 'the triple in Lindy is the same timing as the cha cha cha'. I don't know why but this felt wrong to me. Is it? And can someone explain why?Originally Posted by clevedonboy
And I thought I heard somewhere that Swing music has 16 beats to the bar and that is what makes it 'swing'?
I'd love to learn more about the timing of music and learn some theory to help me understand the 'feel' that I have.
'cause it's wrongOriginally Posted by Lynn
A cha-cha-cha has a symmetic split, i.e. 0.5 beat, 0.5 beat, 1 beat.
A (jive) triple-step has an assymetric "split" 0.75 of a beat, 0.25 of a beat and 1 beat.
Nah, it's four-four (4 beats to the bar).Originally Posted by Lynn
A lot of swing is based on a swing chorus AABA -- where each A or B is 32 bars (four lots of eight beats).
Well, a bit brief, but might be a start to have a look at http://www.afterfive.co.uk/guide/lat...ce_styles.html -- it does try to explain the musical structure of some of the key dances.Originally Posted by Lynn
Cheers,
SpinDr.
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The 16 beats that Lynn is touching on may not be entirely daft though - Saxylady keeps reminding me of 4 bar sections in swing music which would be 16 beats - keeping track of those is part of the key to improving musically (but I haven't mastered that yet!)
WRT the triple being the same as the Cha Cha Cha - oooo nooo. As they're beginners though this may explain their confusion
I can't quite remember what it was I was told, will check. It was a someone who understands music and he was explaining why different music had different feels - to do with the structure of the music, what beat the drummer marks etc. But its all fairly new to me, thinking about music in that way, rather than just instinctively.Originally Posted by clevedonboy
Thanks guys for explaining the why the cha cha timing felt wrong - to me it just felt like the cha cha cha are all equal length, wheras the triple step isn't. It gives a totally different feel.
No, this was the teacher who was teaching the beginners. I think he's figured out that its not the same now, at least I hope so!Originally Posted by clevedonboy
OK, I was wrong with my recollection of 16, it was 12 - as in 4 beats to the bar, each beat split into 3 - therefore 12. Something called compound timing.
And that's what makes it swing. (Apparently. I also told about what makes music rock and where you put the emphasis on different beats etc but I've still a lot to learn!)
Originally Posted by Lynn
Kind of - it's not written in compound time and the pulse is four crochet beats in a bar, but the swung quavers (of which there would be 8 in a bar) are played with the feel of compound time - like a nursery rhyme rhythm - "Jack and Jill went up the hill", for instance. "Jack-and-Jill" being the triple step timing.
Furthermore in slower tracks each crochet can be split into 3 in compound time (=>12 bts/bar) "jack-and-a-jill..."Originally Posted by Saxylady
That would be (I think) more of a 12 / 8 blues, where you do hear three distinct taps per beat - not sure which dance is best for that sort of music - any ideas?Originally Posted by Lindsay
Just to add - "Feeling Good" (Buble) is an example of that style of music.
I think what Lindsay is saying is what my friend was describing as he said it was 12/8 time. So that's not swing then?Originally Posted by Saxylady
Thanks for the info btw.
Originally Posted by Lynn
12 / 8 time is not the same as what we call swing (which is 4 / 4) - 12 / 8 has an underlying pattern of four sets of even triplets per bar.
For instance, your first bar of swing time might go:
one, two, three-and-four (step, step, tri-ple step)
your first bar of 12 / 8 would feel more like:
one-and-a two-and-a three-and-a four-and-a
Whether one could dance a swing style dance to it is another matter - I find it difficult myself and end up just doing a made up kind of hybrid dance instead.
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