Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
OK, if you're into that sort of thing.
Perverted and should be banned.
No idea, as I've never seen them.
Whatever, I want a workshop on clicking on polls.
Better, better, but WAAAAH!!!!!Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo
Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
I've only been to one of Mikeys classes and it was called sweet and sassy...not to my taste 'cas I hate people pawing over me so the idea of paying to go to a strictly sinful workshop never appealed.
I thought the session that I did attend was weakly choreographed and depended on sexualisation of dance to appeal to a rather group who didn't seem to know yet or recognise or care about the difference.
I have seem some versions of his double trouble on video and found it extremely distasteful, involving one women with two men who mimed sexual acts with her while her performance indicated that she was passive and submissive. It seemed pornographic and probably would belong in a poorly directed blue movie. Sad
Dance for me includes a whole range of emotions and expressions but I try and steer well clear of any one who markets it as a substitute or opening for sexual or near sexual experience. Dodgy in my estimation, and I'd rather not be placed in a position where some one thought I may be consenting because I was there, in that venue where that form of behaviour is legitimised or sanctioned by management.
But yes I'm bored by all of this to me its self evident, people buy the Sun but not because its a quality newpaper and people may attend Mikey classes but not because they want to learn to dance.
I expect he's made alot of money and will continue to do so, but would feel uncomfortable if the style he's developing became more than slap and tickle and one offs for people who wanted this form of directed intimacy.
It's not dance and so doen't have a place for me in my dance world, and doesn't seem to appeal to many of my dance friends either
I'd rather have a nice cup of tea.
So there you go
I've
I have to agree with Diana here. The nature of the moves are just too much and as for the one you have just described, I certainly wouldn't want to do it. A majority of people I have spoken to regarding these workshops totally disagree with them and my fear would be that if I was to put such moves into action on the dance floor, then I would most probably get a bad reputation...but then I wouldn't want to do it anyway!I have seem some versions of his double trouble on video and found it extremely distasteful, involving one women with two men who mimed sexual acts with her while her performance indicated that she was passive and submissive.
Me too!I'd rather have a nice cup of tea.
Well said diana. x
I agree, they are probably to some people distasteful. I for one have never been to one of Mikey's classes, I would only go if I had a set partner, and even then I don't think it would be my thing. I don't think the moves he teaches should be for the social dance floor. I believe that they should be just for those who want to do these moves, with a set partner, and should never be led on the social floor. Mikey, stresses that this is the sort of moves he teaches, and that they should only be performed within a set partnership, and never socially. What's wrong with that? I don't read the Sun, but I don't call for it to be banned either, I say, to each their own, and if you don't like it, you don't have to do it.Originally Posted by Donna
Funny thing is that guys that I know if they had a set partner to dance with actually want to practice dancing..:Originally Posted by TiggsTours
and if they have a girlfriend they don't seem to want instruction
Originally Posted by DianaS
what i want to know is - where on earth did the 58 people who voted come from?? this is the most popular vote in ages. I'd suggest vote rigging but that would be cynical
And you're not cynical, you're clinical. As in "clinically insane" For a smurf you're quite normal, for a Scottish Dancer you're completely barkers. Who would be interested in rigging a vote on the forum? Who would be interested in proving that the majority of dancers see these workshops as acceptable That would be ridiculous and you smurfs see conspiracy* everywhere.Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe
*and ankles, being just seven inches tall.
I have to say, those comments have made me think - certainly much more than Andy McG's ranting, which I skim past now anyway.Originally Posted by Donna, DianaS and TT
The fact that all three women have similar views about it - that is quite thought-provoking. I used to be anti-the-routine (again, I've only seen one) as I didn't think it had any relationship to sexiness and implied that a set of moves could make you a sexy dancer*.
Now I'm wondering if maybe Andy has a point. If these routines are causing significant offence to experienced, outgoing and confident female dancers, what message are they giving to others - new starters, the shy, the less confident and so on?
I dunno - I take on board what people say about salsa, but in the fairly long time I've done salsa, I've not seen or heard many women complain about being taught offensive routines.
Hmmm.... food for thought, certainly.
* Whereas we all know that being short, bald and with a bit of a belly makes you really sexy.
So, I just need to work on the belly - somebody pass the doughnutsOriginally Posted by DavidJames
I have never been on a weekender. I have never knowingly seen Mikey. I do not know what moves he teaches, or does not teach. I therefore have no opinion on his classes. As far as I am concerned all I have done is drag a material fact into an argument.Originally Posted by Andybroom
I am all in favour of harmless fun for grown-ups, and I like it too. That is one of the reasons I love MJ and do what I can to promote it.you probably won't like this - you and one or two others do seem to be on a crusade to stop dance moves that an awful lot of people see as harmless fun for grown-ups.
I have been attending dances for a long time too, and, from what I hear, some perverts have been dancing longer. There is an inexhaustable supply of potential new victims. There have been many court cases where well respected people in positions of trust and authority have abused their position for decades. Many vicitims flee the scene without reporting the incident, many abusers move on to new pastures frequently. I do believe it is the duty of authority to reduce the risks to the minimum. It is an area I am working on (I will not elaborate on that statement.)OK, there is an occasional problem with an occasional guy who comes onto the dancing scene and uses it as an excuse for things that he shouldn't do. But (and I've been dancing for a very long time now) it doesn't happen that often and, when it does, the guy's coincerned don't usually last very long before the girls ostracise them. And (I assume) that the girls enjoy dancing enough with normal guys to be prepared to take the risk (such as it is) of an unpleasant experience once in a blue moon.
I got so close to the action because I was preparing myself to bodily evict the perpetrator if the victim indicated that course of action, trying to ensure that I was between the perpetrator and the victims boyfriend, who was also quite near. It was quite clear from the expression on their faces that it was not a "fuss over nothing". As it happened both of them were hard enough and mature enough to just let it ride rather that initiate an ugly scene.... So maybe they thought you were making a fuss over nothing? ...
Woohoo....Originally Posted by DavidJames
Best news I've heard all day!!
(Now, if I can just get it down to a point where it can be classified as 'a bit'!! )
I think the "a bit" was understatement. The Tramp provides the perfect package for any girl looking for a sexy guy - although he's probably a couple of inches too tall for absolute perfection* he's still very much in the zoneOriginally Posted by TheTramp
*As is generally agreed, the perfect height for a sexy male dancer is 5'7". A dancer who's two inches either way can, however, look 5'7" by wearing heels or stooping a bit
Please don't mis-quote me, I have never spoken out against Mikey's classes, I have said that they don't personally appeal to me, but I have never called them offensive, or called for them to be banned. I believe that if people want to attend Mikey's classes, and he remains open about what they entail, there is nothing wrong with them.Originally Posted by DavidJames
Not so, I have seen dirty dancing classes taught by plenty of other people, years before Mikey started teaching them, and I have seen other dancers perform far sexier moves on the social dance floor than I have ever seen Mikey perform socially, even with a regular partner, again, for years before Mikey started teaching his very popular (with some) Strictly Sinful classes.Originally Posted by AndyBroom
Last edited by TiggsTours; 2nd-February-2006 at 10:38 AM.
Originally Posted by DavidJamesOriginally Posted by DianaS
What message does the forum give out with this Twadle, a rant of bias unfounded b******* !
Most people who complain have never been to or seen his classes
Significant offence to who ? If 500 attended one of his classes as camber are 75 out of 250 women walking of after 3 mins . Reading the above you would assume so
I heard 250 women actually laughing at the end
Id say half in fix partners were in 'relationships' maybe more.
This is how the Nazi came to power
- They invented the goose step, but didn't ban either sex or dancingOriginally Posted by stewart38
To my knowledge
Originally Posted by DianaS
They persecuted a set of people based on false information and often published such information in a public forum
What, by teaching strictly sinful classes?Originally Posted by stewart38
Godwin invocation! I win!!
Anyway, enough of this - and for the record, I wasn't complaining, I was stating that the comments by 3 women in succession had made me think, is all, so get off my back ***.
More importantly, I have to take definite issue with the highly controversial statement:
Now hold on one minute - I clearly recall the Congress Of Southport treaty, making a definitive ruling that it was actually 5' 6.5", and that's final.Originally Posted by The Too Tall One
End of discussion.
Sorry, but you forgot the magic words.
Mornington Crescent
I win.
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