This would explain your distast and misunderstanding about them then!Originally Posted by DavidJames
Boy you guys like argueing for the sake of it no one has ever said that you can not get this from other ways we just say that routines can help your dancing.Originally Posted by Gadget
Where did this chip come from??
Did you guys get dropped on your head in a routine as a baby or something!!
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This would explain your distast and misunderstanding about them then!Originally Posted by DavidJames
I'll resist, I am strong. OK, I'm lazy and forgetful, how's that?Originally Posted by Yliander
I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, I simply said that there seemed to be a large routine-based assessment for Gold Card.Originally Posted by Yliander
It turns out this is not the case, and thanks again to Alice for calmly and patiently clarifying the situation to me - basically, the Aussie Forum thread was talking about both Gold and Blue cards, and it wasn't clear which post referred to which card, hence my confusion.
This thread is on this forum - and I started it here because I wondered whether people in the UK thought that the card system, or a variant of some such system, could be useful over here.Originally Posted by Yliander
Despite what some people think, I do have an open mind occasionally, and I think (on balance) some sort of assessment system, if done properly, could very much help progress Ceroc teaching and dancing in the UK. Which is the only reason I'm banging on about it...
As you've cunningly discerned, I've stayed clear of performance routines, it's too much like line dancing for my tastes (I run away when "It's Madison Time" is announced too)Originally Posted by Yliander
Ah-ha!Originally Posted by Yliander
This is the key thing I'm talking about when I say differences.
Based on what I've read and heard, a lot of advanced teaching in Oz seems to be oriented around visuals and presentation, i.e. focussing on how it looks.
You generally don't get much of that type of teaching in the UK, we're well behind you on that score. With the exception of the occasional "Competition dancing" workshop run by Nigel and Nina, A lot of advanced teaching in the UK seems to be more focussed on how it feels - connection, intention, and so on.
Possibly. I am just a beginner.Originally Posted by ads
Darn, you caught us out. But, by Gadget standards, that post was a mere brief aide-memoire, barely worth mentioning...Originally Posted by Ads
isn't this a forum?Originally Posted by ads
In the context of this thread and the discussion about routines, they were being proposed as the best guideline for determining a truley "advanced" dancer - ie a "Gold Card" holder. So the implication is that to be a truley "advanced" dancer, one must excell in performing routines.
This being the case, I raised the question what exactly can learning routines give you that standard dancing (with a partner) cannot?
Perhaps. I think that the focus is on different areas of dancing - too similar to make a good comparison: each element of 'dance partner' practice could focus on stuff you would get in 'dance routine' practice. And visa versa. The main trade off seems to be individual focus and development Vs comradeship.Originally Posted by Yliander
I have been/had a practice partner {}. It's nice to have someone to give feedback and ask opinions (and try stuff out on... but then again, I have been known to do this on a regular night with some of the 'usual suspects' ) Perhaps I should ressurect this thread and save themhave you ever tried to find either a partner to practise with or dance partner? neither are particulary easy to come by I can assure.
I have no desire to compete, so a I've never looked for a dance partner.
Originally Posted by DavidJames
Originally Posted by DavidJames
this thread maybe on this forum but the thread and posts that confused you were in a different forum - so to me it would have made more sense to ask about gold care assessments requirements there and on this forum once you had an answer ask what people thought of that.Originally Posted by DavidJames
this is very honourable of youOriginally Posted by DavidJames
In hindsight, yes - so many quotes from that thread. I notice there's a Gold Cards thread appeared there now thoughOriginally Posted by Yliander
I wish - pig-stubborn is more like it.Originally Posted by Yliander
yes Alice had posted in the original thread but a new thread gets peoples attention much moreOriginally Posted by DavidJames
and stubborn is a bad thing?Originally Posted by DavidJames
Now THAT is good to knowOriginally Posted by DavidJames
That seems to me like saying "a good hurdler isn't recognised by how well they hurdle on a good day, but how well they hurdle when you tie their shoelaces together".Originally Posted by Andreas
It's nice when a great dancer also makes beginners look good, but I wouldn't say "huh, he's not so great, watch what happens when he dances with a beginner".
Tee hee!! Great imageOriginally Posted by Gary
Seriously though, the man has a point.
Another "interesting" thread.
I will just throw my 2 cents worth of petrol onto the fire (though, with todays price of oil it will not be nearly as inflammatory as it use to be ).
We do use routines as an assessment for Gold cards. But it is important to not over stress the word routine in this sentence and to look at the words that are not said. "8 weeks during which teachers are watching you for two hours at a time and will take video footage of your dancing and give you personal feedback on that".
This is the most important aspect of our assessment process and for me makes the system about as good as it can get. I am not going to argue the pros and cons of a card system, but if one wishes to be assessed then I think it is much better for that assessment to be ongoing than to be based on a single freestyle dance.
Do you get a yellow card if you trip someone up and a red card if you are really rubbish?
in Perth (Aus) your yellow card was when you moved from beginners to intermediateOriginally Posted by Ste
i do recall a red card being issued once - but think that was more to do with mischief than actual dancing *giggle*
He he he...Originally Posted by Yliander
Another company in Sydney has a card for when you move from beginners to intermediate (you had to be assessed). They don't have a blue card equivalent however (or IA classes for that matter)- think they might have a gold card for advanced classes once or twice a year...but ever hardly spoken of.
I hate to come across self centred, but was this comment referring to me? Keep in mind that my login is "Adss" and NOT "Ads" ... I'll let Ads know about your comment when I'll speak to him on the phone next.Originally Posted by Andreas
Gary, LIVE IT ALONE!!! I love this definition of Advance Dancers as I can finally refer myself as one: particularly as I can lead at least three (on a good day) beginner moves with first timers.Originally Posted by Gary
Interesting image, but I think the point is more that anyone can run fast when the hurdles are 1" high - only the good hurdlers can make it look smooth when they're set at 3 feet or whatever.Originally Posted by Gary
Although I'm not sure a co-operative endeavour such as partner dancing can be compared with a solo sport such as hurdling. But yes, it's quite funny
That is indeed a very funny image that you project here. But the analogy is heavily flawed and you know that. Trying to gather votes by ridiculing an argument with a flawed analogy is something not even I or DJ would resort to.Originally Posted by Gary
Well, actually I would. I don't think very highly of so-called advanced dancers that can do sod all with beginners and lower intermediates.Originally Posted by Gary
If you think about the analogy that Gary used and try to apply it to dancing and my argument you will in fact realise: he doesn't. He does have a point to make in what he wrote afterwards.Originally Posted by Alice
Now that is something I agree with. I guess it is not surprising that you actually put thought into it because you developed the idea. Due to my reservations of judging dancers by their ability to dance with people of similar levels I wouldn't call it 'as good as it gets' but having them under close observation for such a long time is certainly a good means, more so if the emphasis really is on checking up on their technique.Originally Posted by Robert
Yeah sorry. Noticed too late that you have two 's' at the end of your nick name.Originally Posted by Adrian
I knew we would be broadcasting at the same frequency.Originally Posted by DavidJames
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