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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Didn't get any trick or treaters round the doors last night, though was out for part of the evening. Usually the neighbouring children call and they get sweets.

    A few years ago I didn't answer the door (can't remember why) - and the following week my cast iron gate was 'stolen' - found it in a neighbours garden a day or so later. So I guess that was the 'trick' because I didn't answer the door and give them any treats. I wasn't amused.

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    I'm sure she loves you really David

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    Re: Halloween Parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory
    In saying that, I think OAP's or disabled folk should be allowed to put a note on the door, for the kids not to disturb them!
    Around our street, the code is the inverse - if you've got a pumpkin on your window-sill or sitting somewhere prominent, you're trick-or-treatable (or "family-friendly").

    Is that common elsewhere? I think it's a pretty good idea myself.

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by senorita
    But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"
    I find it intersting that someone of another 'ethnic' background actualy prefers to be called black. My Mum is Jamaican, but with no african bloodline, so she's lighter skinned ... with all this PC cr*p in public I have to call her 'black' though to me she's 'coloured'. I've now got to refer to myself as having 'dual-heritage' wheras I've always considered myslef to be half-caste (or double-caste if I was in a more creative mood).

    Its funny that I've spent most of my formative years joking about sending my Mum 'back' on a bannana boat ... if I said that in public now I'd get arrested. PS ... she didnt actualy come across in a bannana boat, she arrived in a little more style, The Queen Mary!

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    when I was wee I always thought the use of the word "coloured" came from the same root as "colourful" and was therefore a warm, complimentary, "vive les differences" term..... but then I was still doing lego age 12 .... American Dept of Defence High School 3000 miles from these shores "cured" me of these, and other childhood delights.

    edit to add in the point DOH!

    I was taught that it wasn't so much the word "colored" that (some of)50s and 60s America wanted to distance itself from - more the oft seen sign "no coloured"
    Last edited by Chicklet; 1st-November-2005 at 06:35 PM.

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    Re: Halloween Parties

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames
    Around our street, the code is the inverse - if you've got a pumpkin on your window-sill or sitting somewhere prominent, you're trick-or-treatable (or "family-friendly").

    Is that common elsewhere? I think it's a pretty good idea myself.
    Sounds like a good idea to me. Old people esp, as Lory mentioned, can be wary of opening their door to strangers (sadly with good reason sometimes). Calling at someone's house can be very intrusive, especially if the person is ill.

    I really don't like 'trick or treat' - doing something in retaliation if they don't get their 'treat' is not a good thing for children to be learning!

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    sorry i dont know whats happening to my comp AAAAAHHHHH

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    What has happened to this thread????

    its gone from Re Halloween parties to Re Black isn't coloured is it two threads in one??

    Thought it was my comp at first as i have been having problems with it today

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    What has happened to this thread????

    its gone from Re Halloween parties to Re Black isn't coloured is it two threads in one??
    Yep. Its multi-tasking.

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    Re: Halloween Parties

    Quote Originally Posted by LMC

    Halloween? It's only been turned into a special occasion with stuff in the shops by August so greedy retailers can flog more cr@p. Bah, humbug.
    Er, no. My sisters and I always used to have a brilliant time at Hallowe'en years ago long before it was commercialised by the shops. We used to dress up as ghosts and witches, do apple-bobbing, hollow out turnips 'cos there were no pumpkins in Wales, make up our own Satanic rituals and prance about totally unsupervised with lighted candles. We didn't do trick-or-treating, that is an American import and it wouldn't have been very practicable because we lived on a farm miles fom civilisation. We would have loved to do it if it we'd had the chance though. I can't remember how we knew this was the sort of thing to do at Hallowe'en - I guess comics might have been a source of information, we didn't have a television until I was about 8.

    I had a wonderful time yesterday face-painting my niece and taking her out trick-or-treating which she has been desperate to do but her mother wouldn't let her. We only went to friends and sympathetic neighbours' houses and they were clearly delighted to take part in a bit of harmless fun. You'd have to be bit miserable to deprive the poor innocent kiddies of a few sweets.

    However, Christmas. Don't get me started. Ban this madness NOW......

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    Re: Halloween Parties

    We had an Asian lady knock on our door. She said that she had had several trick-or-treaters begging things off of her, and she had decided to try and get even. My son, who answered the door, gave her a packet of crisps "for her shop" he said.

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus
    I find it intersting that someone of another 'ethnic' background actualy prefers to be called black. My Mum is Jamaican, but with no african bloodline, so she's lighter skinned ... with all this PC cr*p in public I have to call her 'black' though to me she's 'coloured'. I've now got to refer to myself as having 'dual-heritage' wheras I've always considered myslef to be half-caste (or double-caste if I was in a more creative mood).

    Its funny that I've spent most of my formative years joking about sending my Mum 'back' on a bannana boat ... if I said that in public now I'd get arrested. PS ... she didnt actualy come across in a bannana boat, she arrived in a little more style, The Queen Mary!
    hmmm the Queen Mary....your mum has got class!!

    I used to call people that too.. (half cast), ...but got told off for that too...& was corrected to say mixed race....so now I say mixed race. ;-)
    If you think about it their your not split in half down the middle I hope...nor I hope you were made from a cast.

    x
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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by senorita
    I know you were dee & I'm the same too. But up to a year ago I got told by some of my close friends whom are black... they said to me "we dont call you white people coloured do we...your not yellow, red or blue are you" They said "we hate it when we are called coloured"


    Dee you shouldnt feel bad about saying the black word at all..its not rude or bad, its right. I might be wrong here....but it would be nice to have feedback
    Me and Dee grew up in a town where the majority at school were black. If we were to even mention the word black ie:- blackboard we would get called rascist. I never know what to say not to offend anyones race or colour. Some black people hate to be called black and some hate to be called coloured. With all this 'political correctness' around seems you cant say anything right without offending someone.

    Anyone want to start a thread about political correctness? I am sure it will be a long one especially if you have children still at school these days..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missy D
    Me and Dee grew up in a town where the majority at school were black. If we were to even mention the word black ie:- blackboard we would get called rascist. I never know what to say not to offend anyones race or colour. Some black people hate to be called black and some hate to be called coloured. With all this 'political correctness' around seems you cant say anything right without offending someone.

    Anyone want to start a thread about political correctness? I am sure it will be a long one especially if you have children still at school these days..
    Having read the horrifying comments by Senorita and others about name-calling as they grew up it's arguable that political correctness hasn't had much impact yet on entrenched attitudes. Is that an argument for ditching it or stepping it up?

    As a teacher in a working-class, predominantly white school I was aware of racist attitudes amongst the parents as well as the children. Having moved to a "respectable" middle-class school I thought there wouldn't be the same degree of racism, but I was wrong.......people just keep more quiet about it. But the kids (who don't know what's politically correct) have said some really surprising things about race.

    Sorry to have contributed to the derailing of an interesting thread with inconsequential chatter about Hallowe'en, BTW. For a while back there it sounded like us whiteys were talking amongst ourselves in a desperate bid to ignore some unpleasant truths about the experiences of non-whites in Britain - or is this just the way it came over?

    "Non-white" - bl**dy h*ll, it's going from bad to worse, that has to be a more offensive term than "coloured" or "black".

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    I sometimes attend a class that is taught by an excellent fellow who happens to have dark skin. He normally wears black trousers, black shirt, black shoes and demonstrates dance steps against a dark dance floor.

    After I suggested fluorescent cycle clips or lighter clothing he revised his outfit.
    When I relayed this story to an Asian aquaintance, without me thinking that she was anything except another human being, she accused me of being racist.

    Zuhal

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by jivecat
    Sorry to have contributed to the derailing of an interesting thread with inconsequential chatter about Hallowe'en, BTW. For a while back there it sounded like us whiteys were talking amongst ourselves in a desperate bid to ignore some unpleasant truths about the experiences of non-whites in Britain - or is this just the way it came over?
    Hah! Hardly, thread derailing happens naturally in the forum - in this case, LMC happened to be the culprit. Bad LMC.

    (No, I had nothing to do with any derailment collaboration, honest )

    I guess we should have split it into "Halloween" and "Black isn't coloured" threads - maybe we should now, but it seems not worth it.

    I'll ty and wrench it back on-target.

    I do hesitate using skin colour when I'm trying to describe someone - which, yes, it's silly, because that's clearly an important physical characteristic of that person, like their height / weight / hair colour etc.

    But skin colour is such a loaded and emotive thing, even using it in as a plain and simple description tends to lead you into vocabulary minefields - as we've seen in this thread.

    I vaguely recall seeing something on these lines in a previous thread somewhere; a brief search didn't turn it up though... Martin, help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jivecat
    Sorry to have contributed to the derailing of an interesting thread with inconsequential chatter about Hallowe'en, BTW. For a while back there it sounded like us whiteys were talking amongst ourselves in a desperate bid to ignore some unpleasant truths about the experiences of non-whites in Britain - or is this just the way it came over?
    You carry on changing the conversation & nattering away bout Halloween...dont mind me lol rofl ;-)
    Last edited by senorita; 2nd-November-2005 at 11:16 AM.

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by Zuhal
    I sometimes attend a class that is taught by an excellent fellow who happens to have dark skin. He normally wears black trousers, black shirt, black shoes and demonstrates dance steps against a dark dance floor.
    There's a Douglas Adams quote there, isn't there?

    Once when I demo'd, both of us (both white) turned up wearing all-black; again, we were against a black background, and we got complaints that people couldn't see us. So I think the clothing here is more important than the skin colour.

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    Re: Black isn't coloured

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames
    But skin colour is such a loaded and emotive thing, even using it in as a plain and simple description tends to lead you into vocabulary minefields - as we've seen in this thread.
    Its the attitudes that some people have that is the real problem, and the vocabulary that has come to represent those attitudes. Someone can be perfectly PC, use all the right terms, but still have racist attitudes.

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