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    Pedants' Corner

    With the triumphant introduction of "Land of a 1,000 dances" and "Geeks' Corner" to the CerocScotland Forum, should we not introduce a Pedants' (nice use of apostrophe there Clive) Corner?

    Some suggested topics for endless debate
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    Do you feel safe when you use Fabulous or Fantastic?

    Correct use of:

    • Loose/lose
    • Affect/Effect
    • There/their
    • Uninterested/disinterested

    Should we revert to the spelling of Chaucer or Beowulf?

    Use of the semi-colon. Is it a relic of empire?

    Is semi-colon hyphenated?

    Punctuation marks in direct speech, In or Out?

    Split infinitives.

    Prepositional phrases. A lost art.

    The comma. Why is it so small?

    The subjunctive. Should we use it or is it best left ignored lest it do us harm?
    Last edited by Clive Long; 28th-October-2005 at 09:44 AM. Reason: Mis-placed apostrophe !! Gaaaah !!!

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    I'm afraid it wouldn't work Clive. For you to perform your pedal antics you need a straight man (or woman). It would be like Morecambe without Wise. Sad, sad,sad.

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Correct use of:

    • Loose/lose
    • Affect/Effect
    • There/their
    • Uninterested/disinterested

    • too/to
    • off/of
    • bear/bare


    although I don't know why I'm posting... I'm so pedantic that I've been known to take a biro to shop signs. But life's too short, I normally can't be a**ed any more.

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by LMC
    ...I've been known to take a biro to shop signs....
    She's like a clockwork bunny - just wind her up and let her go.

    Also
    • less/fewer
    • compliment/complement
    • your/you're
    • its/it's

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Good thread Clive!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Some suggested topics for endless debate
    Thank-you for this opportunity...
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Do you feel safe when you use Fabulous or Fantastic?
    Pretty much. But the word literally... That's a bug-bear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Correct use of:
    • Loose/lose
    • Affect/Effect
    • There/their
    • Uninterested/disinterested

    Should we revert to the spelling of Chaucer or Beowulf?
    Spelling is as the world makes it. Although there is a standard "correct" way to spell most words, I try hard not to frown too much when I see a word spelt incorrectly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Use of the semi-colon. Is it a relic of empire?

    Is semi-colon hyphenated?
    In a cartoon in the Metro last week two guys were saying how they never realised at the time, but once they left school they never used the semicolon again.

    I will use it occasionally, hopefully correctly. As to the hyphen... It doesn't greatly matter, but my shorter oxford dictionary spells it as semicolon, and doesn't offer the hyphenated form as an alternative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Punctuation marks in direct speech, In or Out?
    Depends on context, logic and aesthetics. No hard and fast rules here for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Split infinitives.
    Not to ever be sniffed at. Just so long as it doesn't feel awkward.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Prepositional phrases. A lost art.

    The comma. Why is it so small?

    The subjunctive. Should we use it or is it best left ignored lest it do us harm?
    Whatever...

    Looks like I'm losing the will to be pedantic. Maybe it's too early in the morning.
    Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by Clive Long
    Some suggested topics for endless debate
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    Chains - gold, silver or platinum?
    Crosses - only for Christians?

    Oops! You said pedants... Never mind...

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi
    Looks like I'm losing the will to be pedantic. Maybe it's too early in the morning.
    Right, let me try to liven you up a bit then.
    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi
    Good thread Clive!!
    Two exclamation marks? It may be cool, but it isn't English and it is superfluous, unless the sentence ends with a name such as Yahoo!.
    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi
    Thank-you for this opportunity...
    Is a hyphen appropriate here? I think not.
    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi
    That's a bug-bear
    Nor here.
    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi
    opportunity...
    literally...
    hyphen...
    Whatever...
    An ellipsis at the end of a sentence requires a full stop, making four dots.

    Well I reckon that's enough to get you kick started this morning. If you need your blood pressure raising at any other time, please feel free to contact me.

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by doc martin
    Right, let me try to liven you up a bit then.
    It's working!

    Two exclamation marks? It may be cool, but it isn't English and it is superfluous, unless the sentence ends with a name such as Yahoo!.
    They
    they aren't

    and

    they are

    surely?

    I would also argue that two exclamation marks following a sentence written in English are also English - just not correctly construed English.

    Pedantry... I love it really.

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    My turn.
    Quote Originally Posted by LMC
    I would also argue that two exclamation marks following a sentence written in English are also English - just not correctly construed English.
    It's correctly construed. It's incorrectly constructed.

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Same Latin root, same difference, surely? Grammar is usually spoken of as being construed rather than constructed. (Yes, I know, that last sentence wasn't correctly construed either.)

    Don't care quite enough to Google for it today, it's Friday (hooray)!

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by LMC
    It's working!
    I tried to stop this before it got started. Somehow I knew it wouldn't work :sigh: .
    Quote Originally Posted by LMC
    They
    they aren't

    and

    they are

    surely?

    I would also argue that two exclamation marks following a sentence written in English are also English - just not correctly construed English.

    Pedantry... I love it really.
    Let me clarify. In using 'it' I was referring to the use of two exclamation marks. So what I meant was ....

    The use of two exclamation marks may be cool, but it isn't English and it is superfluous....

    I would plead guilty to bad writing as my meaning was not made clear, but innocent of bad grammar (in this case, he says quickly, just in case).
    Quote Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo
    Also

    * less/fewer
    * compliment/complement
    * your/you're
    * its/it's
    And

    * where/there
    * under/the stair
    * under/the stair
    * right/there

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    AAARGH, I'm going to have that going through my head all day now!

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by LMC

    ..... a**ed .....


    English?

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Here's a good one - the rules of sarcasm.

    Hah, yeah, like I'd ever listen to that.

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    hear / here

    I would have corrected the sign next to a collection tin inside starbucks in Edinburgh if it hadn't been behind plastic - "collection for the [insert name here] handicapped center"

    loose/lose and your/you're are the most annoying I think
    gah!

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by doc martin
    << snip >>
    And

    * where/there
    * under/the stair
    * under/the stair
    * right/there
    A little mouse with cloooogs on.

    Well I declare,

    Going clip, clippity clop on the stair,

    That's Where?

    Right there.

    Oh yeah.
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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by LMC
    AAARGH, I'm going to have that going through my head all day now!
    Vastly preferable to

    "If I had a million dollars...."

    Oops...

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Dunno if it's still there, but the Fulham Ceroc noticeboard, usually to be found around the bar area, used to have a poster at the top saying:

    Ceroc New's

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisA
    to be found around the bar area
    .. and before anyone gets on my case, of course, I meant

    "to be found in the bar area".

    By the same token, "under the circumstances" gets my goat. I think I deserve an award for that, since you need to know a little Latin even to understand why it's wrong ...

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    Re: Pedants' Corner

    Ah, the grocer's apostrophe

    I thought the general rule for apostrophes was "if in doubt, leave it out", not "if in doubt, put it in".

    I'll let someone else pick up the innuendo, I'm busy

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