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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    I can understand both points of view (ie whether to run JM2005 or not, and whether Gus is a Low Life )

    I could think of 2 variations that would provide an alternative to Jive Masters, and so keep some excitement & publicity without 'diluting' the main Jive Masters concept.

    Showcase Masters: A mini-showcase comp using the Strictly Dance Fever format of a 1 minute routine. This would give the couples a chance to be judged by people who actually know something about partner dancing

    Dance With A Master: An invitational DWAS. Invite 4 couples as at present, but you draw lots for your partner as well as the music. This would also take away most of the stress for the competitors as well.

    I would imagine both comps would attract only enough people for a couple of rounds and a final. That in itself would keep its status as a 'supporting competition' rather than the main event. But it would give people who have only started dancing this year a taste of what Jive Masters is about.

    And is Gus a Low Life? The main person agruing that he isn't is the "Official Devil's Advocate"...

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by Dance Demon
    it's nice to see the London Mafia all stick together
    There's a London Mafia? Cool! Where can I join up? I've got the Godfather DVD collection, is that a pre-requisite?

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidB
    I can understand both points of view (ie whether to run JM2005 or not, and whether Gus is a Low Life )

    I could think of 2 variations that would provide an alternative to Jive Masters, and so keep some excitement & publicity without 'diluting' the main Jive Masters concept.

    Showcase Masters: A mini-showcase comp using the Strictly Dance Fever format of a 1 minute routine. This would give the couples a chance to be judged by people who actually know something about partner dancing

    Dance With A Master: An invitational DWAS. Invite 4 couples as at present, but you draw lots for your partner as well as the music. This would also take away most of the stress for the competitors as well.

    I would imagine both comps would attract only enough people for a couple of rounds and a final. That in itself would keep its status as a 'supporting competition' rather than the main event. But it would give people who have only started dancing this year a taste of what Jive Masters is about.

    And is Gus a Low Life? The main person agruing that he isn't is the "Official Devil's Advocate"...
    I like the sound of both these ideas. Well, maybe the Dance With a Master sounds nicer - less prep. and choreography skills needed!

    As to 'is Gus a low-life?' well, he knows my answer to that as he's a northern jesse as well. Let's keep this mafia exclusive!

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Formats for TV shows are copyright and can be very valuable. Outright copies are usually paying license fees, and others similar shows are usually trying to be just different enough not to infringe. The problem with intellectual rights in these matters is that most of it has been done before, and persuading a judge that a format is sufficiently original and contains enough work to be worthy of protection is a difficult and expensive task. If anyone was looking for precedents for a particular format of competition the British Museum would probably be a good place to start.

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver
    Formats for TV shows are copyright and can be very valuable. Outright copies are usually paying license fees, and others similar shows are usually trying to be just different enough not to infringe. The problem with intellectual rights in these matters is that most of it has been done before, and persuading a judge that a format is sufficiently original and contains enough work to be worthy of protection is a difficult and expensive task. If anyone was looking for precedents for a particular format of competition the British Museum would probably be a good place to start.
    Spoilsport!

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidJames
    There's a London Mafia? Cool! Where can I join up?
    To paraphrase (aka shamelessly steal from www.salsamafia.com):
    You don’t join the London MJ Mafia. There isn’t an application form, or some sort of Pop Idol audition, with thousands of spotty hopefuls whacking out ham-footed shines in front of an austere judging panel
    But an anonymous informant has provided the following information:
    da' family ain't like a lot of gangsters you hear about - not many loners, lots of couples. They hang out in a club in Hammersmith, very secret, very hard to find...

    At the head is husband and wife, DB and LB. DB started out as as a strong arm merchant, but he has more recently become known for a more gentle way of leading. LB provides the legal brains, and video evidence seems to indicate she's actually over DB's head in the scheme of things. Between them they have many international connections to both the USA and far east. DB in particular is notorious for importing 'specialists' from the West Coast.

    Another couple, rumoured to be getting hitched soon - T2K and a lady known only as Diva. Always seen sporting huge amounts of equipment, T2K is the "hitman" of the organisation. Not one for hiding his (flashing) lights under a shirt, he actually has his own underground website devoted to his hits! His partner, Diva, specialises in diamonds - well, anything that sparkles, really. Rumour has it she takes care of all the cash deposits.

    In charge of all the sports action is the man known only as "the Commentator". He tries to keep a very low profile - apparently there's still a contract out on him and people keep firing at him... Recently got married to a close confidente of Diva - as so often the case in the family, the diamond connection is important. Rumour has it he's been lying low in the Seychelles but will be returning to his usual haunts soon.

    There are some peripheral characters I've only heard vaguely about:

    'The Gorilla': Apparently fleeing the nightclub business up north - said to be a bit of a low-life.
    'ESG': Numbers guy. Said to be particularly interested in the gee-gees.
    'Mr Anderson': Famously seen wearing a long black coat. Often said to be "the one". Story has it, his sidekick can kill with a look.
    'The Guv'nor'. Famous for his dazzling smile, he's more of a one-man show than part of any organization, though he's been known to double-up with ruthless efficiency. When it comes down to it, usually the victor in any encounter.
    Said informant was later found in the subway, trussed and tied with red braces. He was covered in small bruises, apparently the result of being walked over in high-heeled tango boots. He refuses to say who did it, or indeed, anything more about 'da family.

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005


    Oh, and

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin
    But an anonymous informant has provided the following information:
    ~snip~ He refuses to say who did it, or indeed, anything more about 'da family.
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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    David,



    That has to go in the Classic Posts thread ... there is one, isn't there?

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Yeah, baby!





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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Nice one David

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by cerocmetro
    Hi Guys



    Another reason for not running it this year is that there are three huge names we would like to enter all of whom can make next year but not this due to prior commitments. The competition needs huge names to make it be the great success that it is.

    Adam
    When ever do 'huge names' make a ceroc competition a success.

    Lets make sure we give these 'huge names' their own changing rooms and private car to arrive at back door. Doesnt this go against everything that ceroc should or was about ?

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38
    When ever do 'huge names' make a ceroc competition a success.
    Absolutely - everyone knows it's the number of names that matters! Thus the undisputed champions of musicality:
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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38
    When ever do 'huge names' make a ceroc competition a success.

    Lets make sure we give these 'huge names' their own changing rooms and private car to arrive at back door. Doesnt this go against everything that ceroc should or was about ?

    an to b honest... watching these "huge" names perform is fab, an inspirational for some of us.... imagine havin a comp with your regular dancers (not that there is anything wrong with regular!! ) it IS more exciting when you watch people who have natural talent an flair. ... its their chance to show what they can do,...an hooray to these "huge" names cuz i think its good to have 'em around!!

    but that is just my opinion,... an who am i !!!!!!

    little em.... whio wishes no backlash from the baove !

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38
    When ever do 'huge names' make a ceroc competition a success.

    Lets make sure we give these 'huge names' their own changing rooms and private car to arrive at back door. Doesnt this go against everything that ceroc should or was about ?
    Usually I would agree with your comments but the JM is not a regular competition. It was set up to have the best of the best entering. To encourage this again unlike other competitions, it is free to enter, it is by invitation only.

    The competition has to have the names who are at the top of MJ. Many of the competitors know they stand a very low chance of winning, one reason we made it free. But the fact they have been asked to enter is recognition of how good they are.

    If they dance out of their skins then they could of course win. Most competitions are down to who can be bothered to enter and to be honest some titles have gone to some very undeserving winners.

    The JM was also set up as an audience treat seeing effectively showcases from people who would probably not usually enter competitions.

    Last year we had a couple recognised as the best from Australia. They paid their own way to come over and compete. They knew how tough the competition would be yet still they came. We have to respect the fact that these people enter.

    Everyone who enters the competition is a name in the dance world, they are only there because they have won a competition, are a professional/teacher or we recognise how good they are for other reasons.

    Everyone is also realistic. Vicktor for example is a Ceroc teacher of old who influenced the direction of MJ. Nicky Haslam is not only the founder of Ceroc OZ she is also recognised as one of the greatest dancers in the southern hemishpere.

    Simon Selmon is a god on the Lindy circuit. Choreographer of many dance films.

    There are many more dancers from within and outside our MJ world who merit such respect and who I consider to be huge names. I am in awe of these people and feel they deserve to be called "huge names".

    If someone else beats these people, then they too will become a huge name and worthy of it.

    I genuinely feel though as I said above many of the competitors do not believe they can win, but reaching the finals is achievable to many. There is obviously an element of luck ie who is in your round, but due to the way the competition is judged, the public choose who goes through. Impress them and you stand a great chance. Mick Wenger proved this in 2003. He was not dancing at his best but produced a couple of amazing moves (not aerials) which pulled him all the way into second place.

    I say it again, this is not a regular Ceroc competition, this is the Jive Masters.

    Adam

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by cerocmetro
    The idea is that it is the best of the best. How many best of the bests can their be?
    Well, Golf, for example, has a number of "Masters", all of which invite and attract the best of the best, and the top golfers are judged on how well they do in all of them.
    So, there can be several.

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by cerocmetro
    ... Last year we had a couple recognised as the best from Australia. ...
    I'd say "one of the best couples from Australia". John/Bianca, Clint/Melissa, Louie/Emily are also up there.

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    Regionals

    Leaving aside all the furore about 'low lifes' ... .I was wondering if the absence of the main event would give rise to more regional competitions. I'm aware that the South West has (and is currently) been running their own version for some years. We just held one for the North West (which only served to illustrate the dearth of advanced dancers in the North ) I was wondering if the other regions would seize the opportuntity and showcase some local talent without it getting swallowed up in the Nationals?

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    Re: JiveMasters 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin
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    Re: Regionals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus
    Leaving aside all the furore about 'low lifes' ... .I was wondering if the absence of the main event would give rise to more regional competitions. I'm aware that the South West has (and is currently) been running their own version for some years. We just held one for the North West (which only served to illustrate the dearth of advanced dancers in the North ) I was wondering if the other regions would seize the opportuntity and showcase some local talent without it getting swallowed up in the Nationals?
    We have the South West Challenge - originally won by Nigel and Nina! Also the Best in the West, which is in it's second year.

    Good competitions though they are, I don't think we are quite in the catergory of the Jive Masters...........yet! Both competitons have proven to be very popular!


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