sleazy menOriginally Posted by ducasi
smoky venue
clicky venue
gossip
unhelpful/unfriendly crowd
intimidated
I guess there must be enough people here who dragged their friends along to MJ classes to maybe answer this question.Originally Posted by Wendy
There'll also be people who know people who used to dance regularly but now don't.
So, why did your friends not come back?
I'd have made this a poll, but I don't think I can think of all the possible reasons.
sleazy menOriginally Posted by ducasi
smoky venue
clicky venue
gossip
unhelpful/unfriendly crowd
intimidated
unable to commit to that day of the week
Didn't really like it
Didn't like not being really good but not willing to put the time in!
Found a girlfriend so didn't need to come back (Ceroc is not a dating agency )
Sorry just drawing from my own experience!
Were do you danceOriginally Posted by curvy lady
None of my friends have ever stopped for any of the above reasons
The most usual reason is they change their status from single to “married”
Or in the case of married friends they have been unable to persuade their partners to come as well
I think there is often a discrepancy between why you friends actually stop dancing and what they tell you. And I think there's a few different types of stopping: there's the type who come once or twice and don't come back: then there's the type who come for a while, learn how to do the dance and then give up; and there's the type who do it for years and then quit.
For what it's worth, here's my list, which I've taken from my actual experience;
Reasons for giving up after the first night or two;
Too hard I'll never get it.
I'm too busy.
Too clicky.
Nobody asked me to dance.
Couldn't shake off pervy bloke.
Made me really dizzy, still felt wobbly the next day.
Reasons for giving up after months/years of dancing;
Had a baby.
Got a non-dancing boy/girlfriend.
Injury.
Got a new job.
Just got out of the habit, will come back one day.
My wife/husband got really jealous about me dancing with all those men/women.
Now that I look at the two lists, people give up early due to things about the dance or the night, people give up later due to things in their lives that are really nothing to do with dancing.
What can we do about it? I think the people who drop out on the first night could be encouraged to stay if we;
Encourage people to be friendly with new people.
Make the dancing as easy as possible for beginners.
Be alert for, detect and ban pervy blokes.
Teach beginner women how to spin/turn without getting dizzy.
This isn't rocket science and most classes do all of the above - but writing this has made me think I should do more of it.
The second group leave due to changes in their life/health. We can't do anything about it and should just accept that times change; not beat ourselves up about a friend giving up our hobby; make a special effort to keep seeing our non-dancing friends and get on with having fun with our friends that still dance
A friend of mine (male) use to go to ceroc for 2 to 3 yrs on and offOriginally Posted by Andy McGregor
He was never a good dancer always held the women far too tight (the Hands !) ,very very shy but seem to enjoy it
He got some serious knock backs (dancing) and now hasn’t been for over a year and seems to be drinking him self to death.
Clearly he has 'issues' outside of dancing and Id love him to come back but what can you do
The problem is I don’t want to sit in pub and watch him get drunk on a Saturday night but want to go dancing !. I’ve know him for 23 yrs so its sad really.
A friend of mine came to MJ from Salsa after he started going out with a woman who also did MJ.
However he gave up, partly because he stopped going out with this woman, but also because he claimed that after Salsa he found MJ too limiting.
I have had one friend who quit after years simply because he wasn't enjoying himself any more - not learning anything new, music wasn't to his tastes, had other hobbies that he enjoyed more...
Another is a really shy and non-contact type of person, stopped after a few weeks because he was having trouble remembering moves and dancing in time - the pressure of other people expecting him to lead them when he was convinced he couldn't or if he did, having the lady correct him made him feel even worse. Not fun: not go. Although he is making sounds that he wants to come back.
A couple of others had fun and enjoyed it, but couldn't really justify to themselves spending that ammount of cash regulary: fun for a unique night or two out, but not something they would want to take up.
Another friend just sort of drifted away after a few weeks - poss because there was no-one there she really knew and no-one else would go with her.
That's novel - I'd say it was the other way round, salsa's much more "limited" (or disciplined) than MJ. Neither dance is "better", but salsa music and styles are much less varied than MJ, simply because MJ has so few rules. It sounds like your friend just didn't like it - again, no problem with that, but that comment sounds a bit salsa-elitist.Originally Posted by Stuart
(Actually, I can't see "Because I didn't like it" in the list, - do people actually say that, or do they come up with excuses, maybe so as to not hurt your feelings? It's been years since I recruited anyone, I can't remember asking this of drop-outs though.)
i've had friends stop dancing for all sorts of reasons
early on it's
I don't get it
conflict of night
don't like not being good at it
just not their thing
work hours
long time dancers seem to stop never to been seen again for the following reasons
get a boy/girlfriend
get married
have sprog or 3
some long time dancers will take a break - ranging from months to years due to lack of motivation - often due to lack of dance partner to work with things on
I wonder if this is a big causeOriginally Posted by Gadget
Most people on here are established dancers
I dance with someone the other night and asked poltely if it was her first time.
She said no apologetically it was her 4th , i assured her she was fine. I did this once before and am not going to do it again, in future if I ask ill just say are you new to ceroc/jive.
Ooops. No matter how well intentioned the query! You're quite right though, it can so easily be misinterpreted.Originally Posted by stewart38
The few people I know who have gone did so either because they were getting bored (for which read they'd reached a plateau, and weren't prepared to put in the effort to progress), or what I will refer to as the "nesting" syndrome (new partner, home-building, sprog-making etc). Nothing much one can do about either of those.
...and if they aren't!Originally Posted by stewart38
Maybe something along the lines of "Haven't seen you here before?" might be even safer?
SpinDr.
Much better to ask an "open" question such as "How long have you been dancing?", then no matter what the answer is you can compliment your partner on how good he/she is.Originally Posted by stewart38
Or even "Have you danced for a long time, because you're really good?!"Originally Posted by spindr
Then when they say "No, it's only my 4th time" and you can look surprised and say "thank you for the lovely dance, hopefully I'll see you again next week?" and then they come back for more dances!
(of course, you can only say you think they're good if you really think it!).
S. x
personally, I get bored with dancing with the same people all the time. Now I am in Holland I have returned to dance just twice this year + the Tsunami ball and Scarborough.
That was great because
1. I hadn't danced for a while
2. There was a diversity of people
I think that the events such as Musselburgh, BFG, Southport, Scarborough, etc. are always a breath of fresh air because you meet more people, socialise outside your own small group, and learn new things.
I suspect that if some of the people who had left had actually gone to these venues, they would have stayed.
To this event, maybe local venues should make more of a deal about what is going on elsewhere in the country and actually encourage new beginners to go along as well.
I won't necessarily rush back to local venues, but I will certainly be coming back for the events, and I am already putting money on one side for the cruises.
To this end, you could count me as one who has stopped dancing - but perhaps better to say stopped dancing at certain venues...
That does not mean, I won't go back. What it means is to go back there now requires a certain amount of effort which I am putting into other things, but if/when I find myself back in Scotland, I'll be back at local haunts and hopefully dancing with loads of new people who have started since I stopped going.
Absolutely.Originally Posted by spindr
Even taxiing it's an upbeat-sounding "How many of these have you been to then?"
Then if it's "this is my first time", then I switch into one mode... and if it's "about six months", then I switch into another.
I use this one a lot.Originally Posted by John S
Love dance, will travel
Yes, much better. But even that can be misinterpreted as being patronising, especially if the answer is "ten years"Originally Posted by John S
I usually don't ask anymore...
Think it depends on how you ask the question - if your tone of voice suggests "How long do I have to dance before I get that good?", then it doesn't have to be patronising IMO.Originally Posted by DavidJames
But mainly I ask people when I'm taxiing - even a "beginner" can often follow much better after 3 or 4 weeks than in their 1st week. However if I don't recognise someone when taxiing, it feels better to ask first rather than end up dancing with a visiting dance goddess when I'm supposed to be dancing with beginners.
Love dance, will travel
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