View Poll Results: What is musicality to you?

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  • Hitting the breaks?

    33 70.21%
  • Changing style of moves to fit the style of music?

    35 74.47%
  • Emphasising crescendos or vice versa?

    26 55.32%
  • Marking multiple accents with simple movements?

    20 42.55%
  • Dancing stoccato if the music's stoccato & vice versa?

    21 44.68%
  • Adopting a body posture to suit the musical style?

    23 48.94%
  • Emphasis on individual notes or instruments, eg with footwork?

    23 48.94%
  • Acting out the lyrics?

    21 44.68%
  • Getting sexy when the sax plays?

    13 27.66%
  • Just letting the music take over your body?

    32 68.09%
  • None of the above?

    1 2.13%
  • Something completely different? (Silly walks?!) Please explain

    5 10.64%
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    Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38
    Can we define what musicality is ? From different threads people seem to intepret it very differently
    I'd been considering starting something on this, and despite Andy's recent thread, it still doesn't seem to be getting tackled.

    So the above offers a few suggestions for discussion, I'm sure you can come up with more...

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    It's a pity there isn't a box for "all of the above" - that's nearer the mark to me!

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    for me the concept of musicality is that if you if you can't hear the music a couple are dancing to - you can see what it is ...

    slow, smooth & sexy

    fast, fun and frenetic

    sharp, funky

    and all the variations in between

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trish
    It's a pity there isn't a box for "all of the above" - that's nearer the mark to me!
    I just ticked them all, Greg knows musicality and all his suggestions are valid - he might have at least come up with some stupid ones to test us. i.e jumping up and down through the entire song I am quite consious of the fact that most of them I dont do or possibly do badly but they are all things i would consider to be valid musical interpretation.

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Musicality for me is demonstrated awesomely by Torvill & Dean. When they ice dance it appears to me that there is no taped music playing, instead they are creating the music with their movements.

    I'm not that musical, I need much more practice and have started scaring the Boys by hitting the breaks for them How else am I going to learn?

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    damn, i didn't realise it was multiple choice! Thats what i get for jumping in with out reading the instructions!!!

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by drathzel
    damn, i didn't realise it was multiple choice! Thats what i get for jumping in with out reading the instructions!!!
    Odd. I did realise that it was multiple choice, but just picked one, the same one as you.

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver
    Odd. I did realise that it was multiple choice, but just picked one, the same one as you.
    Yeahy, i'm not alone!!!


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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Interesting project/game.......

    Find a play list of say 10 well known songs, all with different genre.

    Get a few (good) couples to dance them, and film them.

    With a group of friends, you have to guess (from the playlist) which track they're dancing to, just by their interpretation and body movements!

    The bit I'm not sure about is, would the game be to judge the dancers musicality or our own

    Hey, would you buy the game? Move over Trivial persuit!
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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by drathzel
    damn, i didn't realise it was multiple choice!
    OK, I should have said it right at the start, but just in case anyone hasn't realised by now, you can tick as many options as you want.

    I do like the "poetic" descriptions of musicality, that you can "see the music the couple are dancing to", or Daisy Chain's thoughts, but for me, I started with just dancing to the beat, going through all the breaks and ignoring light and shade, I needed lessons, and specifics to try and break that down. Because for me, I don't believe it is an innate ability. It is nice when sometime it seems to go half right to a track though. Especially a new one that you've never heard before, so you have to pick up on the musical structure.

    Greg

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory
    Interesting project/game.......

    Find a play list of say 10 well known songs, all with different genre.

    Get a few (good) couples to dance them, and film them.

    With a group of friends, you have to guess (from the playlist) which track they're dancing to, just by their interpretation and body movements!

    The bit I'm not sure about is, would the game be to judge the dancers musicality or our own

    Hey, would you buy the game? Move over Trivial persuit!
    Fab game I want to play!! If you had wireless headsets, then you could play it like charades.

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra Woman
    Fab game I want to play!! If you had wireless headsets, then you could play it like charades.
    even better!
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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory
    Interesting project/game.......

    Find a play list of say 10 well known songs, all with different genre.

    Get a few (good) couples to dance them, and film them.

    With a group of friends, you have to guess (from the playlist) which track they're dancing to, just by their interpretation and body movements!

    Yeah, this sounds like fun - have you done this already?

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory
    Interesting project/game.......

    Find a play list of say 10 well known songs, all with different genre.

    Get a few (good) couples to dance them, and film them.

    With a group of friends, you have to guess (from the playlist) which track they're dancing to, just by their interpretation and body movements!

    The bit I'm not sure about is, would the game be to judge the dancers musicality or our own

    Hey, would you buy the game? Move over Trivial persuit!
    I had the same idea. Actually it can be done with any video or DVD with the sound turned off.

    Done live with a single couple using headphones would be a real hoot if the objective was for the dancing couple to get their track recognised as quickly as possible, because "interpretation" would then almost certainly be reduced to the primitive level of trying to mime the lyrics whilst dancing.

    It might be possible to have, say, ten couples with headphones dancing to different tracks simultaneously and the audience trying to match tracks to couple numbers on a score sheet. Where I got flummoxed with this was the technology. Ten different frequencies of wireless headphones would be one way, but open to hi-tech cheating. Individual tiny mp3 players is another possibility, but then there is the problem of sync between partners, or else have the follow dancing deaf.

    T'will happen...

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeBee
    Yeah, this sounds like fun - have you done this already?
    No! I just thought of it! Actually, it's still thought in progress!

    Can't you hear?.....tick tock, tick tock, clunk, ping!!
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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory
    No! I just thought of it! Actually, it's still thought in progress!

    Can't you hear?.....tick tock, tick tock, clunk, ping!!
    Now, THAT'S musicality!

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra Woman
    Fab game I want to play!! If you had wireless headsets, then you could play it like charades.
    Me too !

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Ultimate musicality occurs in ballet (so I was reading) where a story is enaccted to the music; we see this in Nigel and Nina's showcase performances (boy meets girl, boy loses girl etc (and less banal)). (Nina is of course ballet trained I think I am right in saying.) But as I argue in a related thread a high standard of musicality is only available in choreographed routines between established partners. The aim in freestyle is to get as close as possible to that ideal. The danger in so doing is to get so caught up in dancing to the music in a necessarily 'off the cuff' manner that the moves suffer; and if you are at a 'down the line' ceroc venue like Bromley you run the risk of your current partner thinking you have gone mad or cant dance or cant lead. Believe me! At Rockbottoms you will be a star with the same stuff.

    Funny old game, Jimmy

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yliander
    for me the concept of musicality is that if you if you can't hear the music a couple are dancing to - you can see what it is ...

    slow, smooth & sexy

    fast, fun and frenetic

    sharp, funky

    and all the variations in between
    on your first choice (slow, smooth and sexy) you could be describing 'Blues' dancing as taaaught by N +N, Simon Selmen, Roger Chinn et al. Blues classes are all about 'musicality' inasmuch that bbbblues is not slow jive but a 'feeling' aand only certain kinds of moves are suitable e.g., less of the overhead type moves and more of the sweeps and sling outs and bags of stops and wiggles. If you go to Camber or Bognor and watch in the blues and swing room when the music gets 'bluesy' you will see the slow jivers standing out like a sore thumb whereas those cats from Ealing, say, really know how to interpret this music. Yes, advice to ceroc teachers who want to teach MUSICALITY - start with the blues (man).

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    Re: Musicality: What is it to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jockey
    on your first choice (slow, smooth and sexy) you could be describing 'Blues' dancing as taaaught by N +N, Simon Selmen, Roger Chinn et al. Blues classes are all about 'musicality' inasmuch that bbbblues is not slow jive but a 'feeling' aand only certain kinds of moves are suitable e.g., less of the overhead type moves and more of the sweeps and sling outs and bags of stops and wiggles. If you go to Camber or Bognor and watch in the blues and swing room when the music gets 'bluesy' you will see the slow jivers standing out like a sore thumb whereas those cats from Ealing, say, really know how to interpret this music. Yes, advice to ceroc teachers who want to teach MUSICALITY - start with the blues (man).
    actually i wouldn't be describing blues dancing - we don't have it here Perth, Australia - but from what I have read about it on this forum and from explanation from Trampy and the music choices for it - it's not what I am talking about really - proberbly putting slow first was wrong as it gives the wrong emphisis - smooth, sexy & slow would be the right way round and as I am not talking about as slow as blues seems to be. For me a perfect track for this sort of styling musical interpretation is Enrique - Escape - slow version.

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