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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    For what it's worth, my opinion is that if we are going to have a rep system, it should not be anonymous. I think hiding the comments so you can't do the "ignore list" trick is a mistake.

    Maybe the answer is that if you are a paying customer, you can disable people giving you rep at all (Didn't DavidB say something like that?)

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayne
    That's exactly the point Pammy - and one that Franck seems unable to grasp.
    There is, in my view, nothing else I could have done. You found out who posted the comment, I removed the ability to view comments to avoid similar things happening again. I did apologize for being away on holiday and unable to reply immediately to your concerns. I am sure that either Emma or Sheena (moderators) would have dealt with it had they realised at the time.
    With hindsight, any upsetting reputation comment should be reported using the 'Report bad post' link so that all moderators can be notified immediately. Had any of us been notified (and able to respond in my case) we would have provided all the reassurance / support you needed there and then, including the name of the poster if relevant. The system isn't perfect and as many regular posters have found out, when you enter a public community, you open yourself to a lot of feedback, good and bad...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayne
    Franck doesn't know if I know who sent it to me. And he is withholding that information from me.
    Jayne, I do know that you found out who had sent you the reputation on the 6th of August, the day after your received the comment, as you mentioned that fact while giving good reputation to someone. Since the comments were no longer anonymous to you, you had the option to either ignore them as a childish outburst or take up your right to reply directly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayne
    Franck, you seem to be fogetting that you now have paying customers. This doesn't just mean income for you. It means that you have a responsibility to your paying customers. You seem to be fogetting this latter point.
    This is a red herring Jayne, the money involved affords a few more features to premium members and nothing else.

    I have a responsibility to all Forum users, regardless of whether they are paying or not.
    Franck.

    There's an A.P.P. for that!

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    Pre-approval of advertising and posts

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepman
    There is no moderator who is approving advertising before it appears.
    Going off-topic, the ASA occasionally requires pre-approval on advertising for specific companies for (say) six months: recently FCUK, after their recent nonsense.

    Pre-approval in discussion groups can certainly work (moderated usenet groups, for example), but it tends to eat up a lot of volunteer/employee time. Also, it's not always a net benefit - by using pre-moderation you send a message to people that they aren't trusted, which can be counter-productive.

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    Fear in the Forum

    I had no idea how serious the threat was or where it was coming from. I was literally scared $hitle$$ to go dancing again.
    Don't be.

    Nobody is universally loved. The anon rep tells you that one person didn't like one thing you said, and also thinks you're arrogant. No big deal, and life is too short to let a two line comment on an internet forum effect your fun.

    I'm sure there are a few people who you find arrogant from time to time, and I don't see you going on a Kill Bill style rampage...

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    Re: Fear in the Forum

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper
    I don't see you going on a Kill Bill style rampage...
    But you don't know me Martin!

    I get your point and the rational part of my brain told me that. But for the first day when I didn't know who it was, I had no idea what I was up against, if anything. That's the point I've been trying to make.

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    Last edited by Jayne; 18th-August-2004 at 04:38 PM.

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Are we having a Commercial Union moment, here?!?!?!!?!?!

    If I have seen the whole rep, it didn't strike me as that bad.

    If I haven't seen the whole rep, then what I'm about to say is WILDLY inaccurate and I look forward to my flaming.

    I read Andy McG's comments too. I have to ask: could Amir's comment have alluded to all the GOOD dancers being absent and only detritus being present that night?

    Was the rep threataning? Not from what I saw.

    Would it be enough to make me delete my personal info from my profile? No.

    Buy an alarm for my house? No.

    Take extra kung fu lessons? Erm, no.

    Still, crises are never enough: let's have some more drama...

    (J, I sincerely hope I have seen the whole rep. As I said above, if I haven't, then I'm commenting on stuff about which I know nothing and can only hope I don't offend you.)

    CJ.

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    I don't think that Jayne should be expected to defend how she felt about the rep, but it is important that how she felt is recognised.

    Whoever sent it probably now has more insight into how it was received and I would hope wouldn't have anticipated how Jayne and other women may have responded to this message from a stranger.

    These things can be creepy CJ, you've probably never had the experiences that many women have, unfortunatly men can behave in a quite predatory way, so we tend to learn to protect ourselves. And one way of doing this is by knowing who we are engaging with and how to keep ourselves safe.
    Sad but that is life, and something that we learn.

    I don't feel that I have to protect myself here, or at dance venues, but I have had to protect myself in other situations and do recognise why Jayne felt threatened by the messsage and the context in which it was received.

    I also think that there was probably no intention to make her feel this way, sometimes our actions send out ripples beyond our control. Mine did when I playfully explained how to deduce authorship of "anonymous" rep. I had no idea of the storm that was to follow and the amount of work and expense it would generate for Franck.

    I find myself apologising yet again for my thoughtlessness. I'm not going to contribute again to this thread, as I think we're in danger of loosing the plot. I'm off dancing tonight and intend to strut my stuff like a good 'n

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    This is a toughy.

    Having read what I assume is all the rep comment from Jayne's quote, my personnal feeling is that it was sent by someone equally as passionate about their dancing as the next man/woman. The comment made by Amir and then repeated by Jayne was offensive to the point whereby anyone who hadn't attended, would, IMO be just in feeling somewhat disgruntled. And, as dancers, and all being passionate people, neg rep was sent and received. In the heat of the moment we can all sometimes explode in a fit of profanity and wild accusation........and if we're all being honest, i think we've all done this in the past. However, having said this, I do feel that the person who sent the rep maybe should have taken a big deep breath first and then thought about a more constructive comment.

    I would go as far as to say, I think it's definatley worth proof reading a post before submitting it, as the most innocent of remarks can, and probably will be taken literally or in the wrong context by someone on-line.

    As far as Franck's corrective action is concerned, I really don't know how he can be expected to tell someone off for something they are yet to do..... It's an unfortunate case of suck it and see, and without a public flogging in the town square, followed by 50 lashes for an emotional response on a passionate subject, what do we expect him to do.
    I'm sure if such problems persist, the man Pauly will step in, and escort out, the necessary evil which makes the forum the place it is today.

    James

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jive Brummie
    I would go as far as to say, I think it's definatley worth proof reading a post before submitting it, as the most innocent of remarks can, and probably will be taken literally or in the wrong context by someone on-line.
    Maybe Frank can do an "e-sure" forum -- it checks your posts / reps and IMs for derogatory comments -- if there are it blocks them and reminds you with a cheerful comment that:

    "It's only a forum dear!"

    and then maybe enforces a cooling off period?

    SpinDr.

    P.S. Definitely worth proof reading

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    I still feel it was a cheap attack at Jayne. Something someone thought they'd get away with saying and even enjoyed the thought of making her feel damn uncomfy (my reasons for saying this is that as far as I am aware, they have made not attempt to convey to Jayne that they meant nothing by the post). Jayne's original comment was "tongue in cheek" and much worse gets said on here without anyone batting an eyelid.

    Franck has a tough job deciding what is and isn't ok and it is tough being at the top and indeed time consuming and hard having to make decisions such as this. Wouldn't it help Franck if people didn't put him in these difficult situations in the first place and any issues they felt needed "heated" debate were kept in the open where they could be seen and addressed accordingly. We are all more than capable of getting our points across in public...

    If the person was merely thinking of commenting on Jayne's post they would have had no problems in raising any issues about it on the actual thread and a mere negative rep would have been sent. Also, if you offend someone unintentionally and without meaning to, isn't it customary to appologise for any offence caused?

    I appreciate that there are people on the forum who wouldn't have batted an eye-lid at receiving a rep like that, but at the other end of the spectrum there are those that would have been deeply troubled by it. As people with different personalities, we all fall somewhere between those two extremes. It's irrelevant whether one of us would be offended and another wouldn't. CJ has said he wouldn't, I personally would have been. The problem is, it was sent to Jayne who WAS offended.

    Someone once said to me "If somebody is upset, that's enough. Whether you understand why you've upset them isn't the issue. They are still upset". In this case, the person knows full well why Jayne was upset, but has chosen to do nothing about it, which I find in bad taste.

    We should all be friends on here. We all know each other, not just as forum names, but in person. Shouldn't we all try and be friendly towards each other as much as possible? Surely that should mean that we might get irritated with each other from time to time, but we should still hold respect for each other, and each others feelings AND more importantly, appreciate what makes each of us tick and support them when something distresses them? In this case there was no respect for Jayne as a person, or for her feelings which is not the sort of spirit I'd expect to see on this friendly forum.

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pammy
    It's irrelevant whether one of us would be offended and another wouldn't. CJ has said he wouldn't, I personally would have been. The problem is, it was sent to Jayne who WAS offended.
    Pammy

    Firstly, I said NO such thing.

    Secondly, why is how other people would react irrelevant?!? Surely part of the reaction; Dianas' (well meant albeit illfated) suggestion; those jumping up and down in anger, sympathy, etc all come from how others would have reacted to such a rep.

    Thirdly, yes Jayne was offended (to put it somewhat mildly) and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. (Not even Jayne ) (hope that wasn't in TOO bad taste). Anyway, I was offering the point of view that maybe the same rep in a different context (to the same or different people) ata different time may have solicited a different response. Jayne reacted the way she did and that is absolutely her right. As is her (all of our) right to post without abuse.

    All I was trying to say is that it didn't (in my humble, but not always, opinion) deserve the attention it got from J herself. Yes, easy for me to say but if one has one's head above the parapet often enough for long enough (e.g. McG fellow) , you get used to being shot at. I hope, J, you know next time not to take it quite so personally if it happens again (and obviously I hope it doesn't) and bear in mind that the comment itself is a sad reflection of the donor and not the recipient.

    The time has come to now spread some love, and a little peace.

    I ask every reader of this post to pick 2 people on this forum: 1 they know and one they don't (YES, a complete random) and wish them, by PM, a very happy Thursday.

    Thank you for your attentions...

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Celebrate a Thursday..bah...lets celebrate today, 19th August as Gene Roddenberry Day , he may be dead but it would have been his birthday and he's surely a genius of our times

    Happy Gene Roddenberry greetings winging their way to 2 people now....

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceroc Jock
    Thirdly, yes Jayne was offended (to put it somewhat mildly) and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. (Not even Jayne ) (hope that wasn't in TOO bad taste). Anyway, I was offering the point of view that maybe the same rep in a different context (to the same or different people) ata different time may have solicited a different response. Jayne reacted the way she did and that is absolutely her right. As is her (all of our) right to post without abuse.
    That is what I meant. Or at least it sounds like it, just putting it differently Although on a lighter note, you must always remember, I have a smaller brain than everyone else so I may misinterpret what you've said due to lack of capacity etc. etc.

    CJ. I would like to propose to you a dance in the style of Gene Roddenberry at the forthcoming BFG and hope you accept

    Yours, awaiting your response.

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    Last edited by Pammy; 19th-August-2004 at 01:59 PM.

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Whose Gene Wattissts then?

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dianas
    Whose Gene Wattissts then?
    Just call me Nurse Chapel during the celebratory dance....

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe
    Celebrate a Thursday..bah...lets celebrate today, 19th August as Gene Roddenberry Day , he may be dead but it would have been his birthday and he's surely a genius of our times

    Happy Gene Roddenberry greetings winging their way to 2 people now....


    Good call DS! I shall raise a cup of blood wine to him, right after I finish my rakt'chino!

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pammy
    That is what I meant. Or at least it sounds like it, just putting it differently Although on a lighter note, you must always remember, I have a smaller brain than everyone else so I may misinterpret what you've said due to lack of capacity etc. etc.

    CJ. I would like to propose to you a dance in the style of Gene Roddenberry at the forthcoming BFG and hope you accept

    Yours, awaiting your response.

    The Pamster
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    I'm not sure if I'm to accept in the style of Gene Rodberry or to dance in the style of Gene Rodberry, but I'd be delighted.

    And so, we are to boldly dance like no others have danced before....

    (Does the split infinitive give any clues?!?!)

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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    And poor Scotty, who I believe died recently


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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pammy
    Just call me Nurse Chapel during the celebratory dance....
    Pamster, you gonna wear the blue dress and everything? Can I get a dance then too?


    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M
    And poor Scotty, who I believe died recently
    It's worse than that, he's dead Jim.


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    Re: Rep comments - missing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhythm King
    Pamster, you gonna wear the blue dress and everything? Can I get a dance then too?




    It's worse than that, he's dead Jim.


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    maybe the BFG could be in Fife Jim, but not as we know it?

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