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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by under par
    Andy there isn't always that much time available.
    There's always time for good manners. All you miss another minute of the lesson - what would Mary Poppins have said about this? I'm sure it's not "stick your hand in the air and wait for a woman to come over".

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
    There's always time for good manners.
    I quite agree Andy , but must admit that if the "spare" man puts his hand up it doesn't bother me.
    Sometimes, for a multitude of reasons there can be a man who ends up with no partner, if he puts his hand up it's easier for the teacher to spot and then ask one of the waiting ladies to join him.
    Perhaps, for the reason Lory mentioned, that they are not sure which is the start and end of the queue (and not wanting to offend anyone by taking the "wrong" lady), this might be the easier option.

    Having said that, I wouldn't expect anyone to do this when looking for a dance in freestyle
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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheena
    Sometimes, for a multitude of reasons there can be a man who ends up with no partner, if he puts his hand up it's easier for the teacher to spot and then ask one of the waiting ladies to join him.
    I agree with Sheena, I think it's ok to put your hand up if you end up without a partner during the rotation: you're bringing the failure of the rotation to the attention of the teacher, not demanding a woman. Also, you'd have to leave the line to find a new partner which might mess up the lines.

    BUT, many guys do the imperious hand-in-the-air at the start of the lesson. They just line up without a partner and put their hand up - Mary Poppins would NOT approve.

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
    BUT, many guys do the imperious hand-in-the-air at the start of the lesson. They just line up without a partner and put their hand up - Mary Poppins would NOT approve.
    Totally agree with Andy here - this is one of my pet hates!
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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory
    'what do I do, what do I do? do I take one from the front or the back (panic), not knowing what to do, he quickly walked up and down the queue and gave us all a fleeting 'once over' and ended up picking a lady from the middle. At which point, we all turned to each other, raising our eyebrows and gave each other a 'once over' then burst out laughing! Poor bloke! you had to be there!
    I was going to give you negative rep for this post. You've just made me look an absolute fool in front of several colleagues in my office because I have been hooting and howling uncontrollably over your post. More of the same please.



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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
    A lot of guys go for this hand-up-fetch-me-a-woman. I think it's rude and unchivalrous. If you want a woman to dance with, please go and ask one
    At Maidstone, (soon to be a NOSMO venue) thats what the guys do....now.....

    Took a long time to get the change - week after week they would stand waving their hands in the air until about four weeks ago, I made all the ladies stand and wait for a man to escort them on to the dancefloor.

    It works and the ladies are quite insistent that they are escorted......
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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
    BUT, many guys do the imperious hand-in-the-air at the start of the lesson. They just line up without a partner and put their hand up - Mary Poppins would NOT approve.
    You could do a thread on that, I find it so conceited, I love the shocked look when sometimes they find there are in fact more men and have to wonder off

    It could be shyness of course and not rudeness

    Also when men just join the end of a existing line mucking up the numbers

    Go and get a partner although I do admit I dont always walk to the front

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    Re: Pairing up - on or off the dance floor?

    Well, now I know - in most wallflower queues, pairing up on the dance floor with handwaving and such is poor etiquette. Instead, find a partner off the dance floor (possibly from the queue), and enter the dancefloor together. This does seem the pattern in my limited experience too. Curiously, that's not the case in the classes I go to with a scatter rotation, where the teacher encourages us to wave our hands if we've not got a man (or woman). Visiting folks used to being escorted onto the dancefloor must think that we're all terribly uncouth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper
    Well, now I know - in most wallflower queues, pairing up on the dance floor with handwaving and such is poor etiquette. Instead, find a partner off the dance floor (possibly from the queue), and enter the dancefloor together. This does seem the pattern in my limited experience too. Curiously, that's not the case in the classes I go to with a scatter rotation, where the teacher encourages us to wave our hands if we've not got a man (or woman). Visiting folks used to being escorted onto the dancefloor must think that we're all terribly uncouth!
    I get the class to wave their hands in the air as they walk onto the dancefloor for the very first time as they partner up - only because they are approaching each other from all angles.

    Within a couple of minutes any man who doesn't have a partner has to walk over to the line of ladies and 'escort' her on to the dancefloor - same for any man arriving late.

    Simple courtesy and etiquette costs nowt and as for taking time - should have been there for the start anyway....

    Also it stops men adding themselves on to the end of a row and messing up the ladies who so conscientiously count as they rotate....
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    Re: Pairing up - on or off the dance floor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper
    Curiously, that's not the case in the classes I go to with a scatter rotation, where the teacher encourages us to wave our hands if we've not got a man (or woman).
    Could this not be more to do with practicalities ? If the spare (wo)men are already on the dance floor and spread all over the queues, you can hardly ask the partnerless dancers to leave the floor just to be escorted on again. The arm waving helps the late-comers identify where to find a partner and space to dance.

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper

    We had some late-arriving newcomer guys at Ceroc Cheltenham this Monday .....
    Are you the guy whose genes had fallen out with his shoes in a big way? Just couldn't have been mere shrinkage in the wash!!

    If so, you're a real hero my boy .... my son .... nay, (almost) grandson .... an example to us all. The selflessness with which you invited a particular beginner to dance towards the end of the evening was awesome. This old codger, who sat on the sidelines, can only hang his head in shame and reflect that the younger generations are definitely not so degenerate as too often painted.

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
    There's always time for good manners. All you miss another minute of the lesson - what would Mary Poppins have said about this? I'm sure it's not "stick your hand in the air and wait for a woman to come over".
    I agree with you here, if I come in late I'd grab a girl and look for the smallest line to join so I don't screw up the dancing space. If there's more guys rotating I tend to sit and chat to the door girl of that night cos well, I'd rather not have to learn how to count anytime soon.

    The only reason I'd stick my hand in the air is if someone decides they need a break just as it's time to rotate with me ... I usually do it with such a huge grin on my face tho, most people can tell I just don't want to run all the way to the other side of the venue to grab a girl sitting paitiently waiting to be rotated on.
    It's distracting when a 6'5" blonde guy runs quickly across the floor through people only to run back to where he was 10 seconds ago with the girl of his dreams (any girl )... but only if he's lucky and the girl doesn't refuse him... otherwise he just looks silly!

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    I must seem terribly uncouth - I'm afraid that I find a spot on the floor, then look to catch the eye of a lady approaching the side queue - if there are none initially visible, I stick my hand up. If everyone is taken, or comes onto the floor with partners, I simply start a queue for the men.
    {I am normally one of the first to line up, so it's not like I'm in the middle of a mass, trying to be seen}

    If I arrive late, I take the last person in the line (because they are the closest) and join in at the end of the smallest row.


    With scatter Vs row, I agree with most people above: scatter works well for small numbers in circular classes. But there must be a combination solution for "move 20 round"? Have a waiting pool of half the ladies about the mid point as well as the line up?

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget
    ... With scatter Vs row, I agree with most people above: scatter works well for small numbers in circular classes. But there must be a combination solution for "move 20 round"? Have a waiting pool of half the ladies about the mid point as well as the line up?
    Divide class into even number of rows. Each set of two rows is, in effect, a separate mini-class. The movers on at the end of rows 1 & 2 line up at the end and move down row 1, back up row 2, and then back down row 1 next time.

    The movers on at the end of rows 3 & 4 and 5 & 6 restrict themselves to those rows. So if there are 20 movers on and six rows, it is sufficient to move on 7 each time. I have seen this used at Bedford, and it worked well.

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    but then the ladies only get to dance with half the men... not sure if that's a hardship or a blessing.

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget
    but then the ladies only get to dance with half the men... not sure if that's a hardship or a blessing.
    It gives the movers on the option of which batch they join up with, which can be a great advantage for those that want to join the class and do not want to partner a particular person.

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    Re: Rotate or Scatter!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver
    It gives the movers on the option of which batch they join up with, which can be a great advantage for those that want to join the class and do not want to partner a particular person.
    Not if everyone joins the same row

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