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    Originally posted by RobC
    Were you watching Andy McG and me dancing last night then ? That just about sums up what we did to come 2nd in his 'Bad Dancer' competition.
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    How come I never hear about these things? I could have cleaned up. That list was only half my repertoire.

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    Originally posted by JamesGeary
    hehehe. You should see any top notch choreographer. All the ones I've seen are bastards.

    The top ballroom trainer in nz, always nice to me, but any of her serious competitors, what a bitch. Stopping the entire hall to shout at someone at the other end if she caught them making a mistake.

    I think if you were to stop and analyse why, its probably because in these cases the students know what to do, the teachers are perfectionists and aren't going to let them slack off.
    Not enough bitches about. Too many teachers that pamper dancers so they'll pay money and come back. Even the lovely lady on the Forum who's given me ballet coaching from time to time apologised in advance but pointed out it was the only way to do it. Give people an easy option and they'll take it.

    The only prerequisite is that the teacher must really know what they're teaching and not teach stuff that they don't know.

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    I think that in this field (MJ), it dosn't really matter how good a teacher OR dancer you are: most come to classes wanting to learn. The "pupil" will find their own way to process and absorb the information.
    If the pupil is not learning anything from the teacher, it may just be that the techer has nothing more they can pass on to the pupil and the pupil will seek out another teacher who knows more.
    Admitedly, being good at imparting knowledge in a format that the pupil can asimilate it helps, but only when the pupil is receptive to learning. It makes the "Teaching" easier and means that "dancers" can become "teachers" with greter ease than in almost any other field.

    (IMHO)

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    Originally posted by Gadget
    I think that in this field (MJ), it dosn't really matter how good a teacher OR dancer you are: most come to classes wanting to learn. (IMHO)
    Not sure that I agree ... I would say that most dancers on a club night go to have fun and socialise ... hence the reason there rarely pay much attention to the teacher

    As has been said before ... if more dancers actualy paid attention to the instructor ... there would be far less need for workshops!

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    Originally posted by Gadget
    Admitedly, being good at imparting knowledge in a format that the pupil can assimilate it helps, but only when the pupil is receptive to learning. It makes the "Teaching" easier and means that "dancers" can become "teachers" with greter ease than in almost any other field.
    I don't see how it follows that if you have a good teacher working with receptive pupils then those pupils will automatically find it easier to become teachers.....Just because you learn stuff well does not mean that you can impart that knowledge - the two skills are separate. Not mutually exclusive, but separate.

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    Originally posted by Emma
    I don't see how it follows that if you have a good teacher working with receptive pupils then those pupils will automatically find it easier to become teachers.....Just because you learn stuff well does not mean that you can impart that knowledge - the two skills are separate. Not mutually exclusive, but separate.
    Did I say that? What I meant to say was that receptive pupils can learn from any teacher, no matter what their skill at teaching.
    The better at dancing, then the more there is for the observant pupil to learn.

    Gus: I agree that workshops are there because it is such a social enviroment - the classes teach a common ground that everyone can dance (no matter ability or level) the same moves on that night.
    However I don't agree that people should "pay more attention in class.": if they can follow the moves being taught from the stage, then that's enough. If they want to learn more, then they should go for closer classes with more 1 on 1 - ie workshops.
    I think that it's two completley different teaching skills: leacturing and private tuition.

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    teaching

    hmmmm......you can teach or you cant pupils learn bad skills from bad teachers and good skills from good teachers its not easy to teach take it from iv done it for ten years and olso got my ISTD

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    Re: teaching

    Originally posted by tricky
    hmmmm......you can teach or you cant. Pupils learn bad skills from bad teachers and good skills from good teachers: it's not easy to teach take it from me - I've done it for ten years and have also got my ISTD
    { took me a re-read to make sense of that}
    OK;so this is one of the main flaws of my argument: bad dancers/teachers are more likley to pass on flaws than good dancing - but the question was about good dancers becoming teachers.

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    Re: Re: teaching

    Originally posted by Gadget
    ... but the question was about good dancers becoming teachers.
    Marilene (JiveBug - excellent dancer) once said that she found teaching difficult because jive was so natural to her she'd never had to actually learn it herself. So it's hard to see why other people are having problems and how they can rectify them.

    (Having said this, I'm sure that Marilene is a great teacher.)

    Teaching anything creative/subjective to large groups where you can't give individual attention is extremely difficult. And good dancers don't necessarily make good teachers.

    I don't think you even need to be a great dancer to be a good MJ teacher. Just technically accurate when demonstrating the moves.

    However, it obviously helps if you're a great dancer, as that's inspiring to the learners - they can see why they're wanting to do it and have something to aim for.

    Entertaining teachers will also do much better, since they retain much more of the group's attention. And we all know that jokes/something comical, etc, will stick in our minds better.
    Rachel

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    agree

    i agree with rachel

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    Well here is the Aussie experience (IMHO)

    There was a split in early 1999, I came over mid 1999.

    One company had good dancers, one company had good teachers (purely IMHO and those I talked to )

    The good dancers side had 25% of the market, the good teachers side had 75% of the market.

    These are figures from my observations. - don't flame me....

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    Originally posted by Martin
    Well here is the Aussie experience (IMHO)

    There was a split in early 1999, I came over mid 1999.

    One company had good dancers, one company had good teachers (purely IMHO and those I talked to )

    The good dancers side had 25% of the market, the good teachers side had 75% of the market.

    These are figures from my observations. - don't flame me....
    Was this from day 1 of the split, or did the market move that way?

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    Originally posted by bigdjiver
    Was this from day 1 of the split, or did the market move that way?
    Split was about 3 months before I got here, so can only say from 3 months on... settling down period.

    IMHO best teachers are those who care about the "whole evening experience" not just the lesson and have a huge input to music, event, fun time, etc.

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    Originally posted by Martin
    Well here is the Aussie experience (IMHO)
    ......The good dancers side had 25% of the market, the good teachers side had 75% of the market.
    Interesting .... even more interesting was the Blitz experince after loosing all their top teachers (posted on another thread). The impact on Blitz was negligeable. Does this emphasise the difference between Aussies and Brits ... a difference in balance between the fun/social aspect and the desire to improve the dancing?

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    Originally posted by Gus
    Interesting .... even more interesting was the Blitz experince after loosing all their top teachers (posted on another thread). The impact on Blitz was negligeable. Does this emphasise the difference between Aussies and Brits ... a difference in balance between the fun/social aspect and the desire to improve the dancing?
    I want to keep dancing with both companies here so cannot say too much on open forum.

    IMHO best teachers got the most numbers by far ( a big far ). Male teachers also got more numbers.

    Observations only

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    Originally posted by Lynn

    I guess the best person to learn from is someone who is a good dancer and a good teacher!
    Others have said this too, but I dont think that its true. Everyone is different and will learn a certain way, and, if they ever teach, theyll teach a certain way. So far...so the same as what everyone else has been saying, however, i think it is quite possible that the best teacher for you as a person could be someone you are already a better dancer than. Equally someone whos teaching style and ability is derided by all may well be the perfect person to fulfill your potential because their style of teaching is perfect for you.

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