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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    The trouble is, a rhythm based dancer, will always try to find and dance to the beat and as I said before, can become excruciating, when your partners hearing something totally different! For me anyway!
    Don't lose hope - I was always a rhythm based dancer, but one day recently my brain suddenly started going "ooo I can dance to other things in this music". Not that I can do it very well, but it's a start...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Lyrics is another thing - I'm a fan of acting out some of the word to songs I know but sometimes its completely lost on my partner, who wonders what the hell I'm doing, cos they're not listening to the words!
    I'm so glad I'm not the only one who does that!

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    Don't lose hope - I was always a rhythm based dancer, but one day recently my brain suddenly started going "ooo I can dance to other things in this music". Not that I can do it very well, but it's a start...
    telling lori
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    youll be ok one day lori when youve learned how to dance

    sorry i shouldnt laugh it just made me smile

    i honestly am starting to think its actually what we hear and there are different types of dancers
    i like to be different lol

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    Don't lose hope - I was always a rhythm based dancer,
    Gosh, I HOPE I never loose the beat being my overal driving force!

    Blimey, Its what I enjoy the most about my dancing!
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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    i think i will hide next time i see you in a venue lori lol
    i dont wanna risk the slap round the head which i so rightly deserve

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    telling lori
    not to lose hope hehehe

    youll be ok one day lori when youve learned how to dance

    sorry i shouldnt laugh it just made me smile
    Yeah, bloody cheek!
    i honestly am starting to think its actually what we hear and there are different types of dancers
    i like to be different lol
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    Give yourselves a break! In fairness Modern Jive and WCS are beat dances, whereas Blues and Tango really aren't. If you have spent time learning to dance Modern Jive and/or WCS you will have been taught how and where to find your musical cues in the music to suit your beat dancing.

    If you want to dance non-beat dances, grab a couple of classes... just like you did when you wanted to do a beat dance. I would caution you to look long and hard at where you take those lessons though. To make things 'accessible' it is often the case that you will go to a Blues class only to find out that it's a slow Jive or a slow WCS class teaching a 32 beat pattern with bonus tips like "eye contact is over rated"

    Not helpful, just confusing. If you are looking for a Blues class try to avoid ANYWHERE that teaches sequences of moves. That may work for MJ/WCS but prescribed patterns have nothing to do with Blues or Tango dancing.

    Bottom line: if you want it, you need to make a little effort if you're not one of the lucky ones who can learn by osmosis

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Give yourselves a break! In fairness Modern Jive and WCS are beat dances, whereas Blues and Tango really aren't. If you have spent time learning to dance Modern Jive and/or WCS you will have been taught how and where to find your musical cues in the music to suit your beat dancing.

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    Bottom line: if you want it, you need to make a little effort if you're not one of the lucky ones who can learn by osmosis


    or just do as others said and pretend you can do it
    thats what i do

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Give yourselves a break! In fairness Modern Jive and WCS are beat dances, whereas Blues and Tango really aren't. If you have spent time learning to dance Modern Jive and/or WCS you will have been taught how and where to find your musical cues in the music to suit your beat dancing.
    Stokie
    When learning WCS, yes it is about the beat, but from day one they teach you about Musicality. We are very lucky to have 2 world class dancers who teach us on a weekly basis.

    They also teach us about different types of musicality which is not just beat orientated. We have had lots of workshops which have gone over lyrical musicality.

    On a personal note after every musicality lesson I think I am the worlds worst dancer. The class feels that it is an astro physics class taught in Chinese and I only speak bad english.

    Lets hope one day something clicks.

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    I need to stop digging my own grave

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    Stokie

    They also teach us about different types of musicality which is not just beat orientated. We have had lots of workshops which have gone over lyrical musicality.

    On a personal note after every musicality lesson I think I am the worlds worst dancer. The class feels that it is an astro physics class taught in Chinese and I only speak bad english.

    Lets hope one day something clicks.
    maybe you need to go to a musicality workshop such as cj's or if he ever teaches in the uk again cerocmetros as they teach how to listen to the music and not related to one style of dance.
    since doing both i hear music in a totally different light and i dont mean just when i am dancing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    On a personal note after every musicality lesson I think I am the worlds worst dancer. The class feels that it is an astro physics class taught in Chinese and I only speak bad english.
    I admire your candor Gerry. The bottom line is that WCS (even extra musical WCS danced by the likes of Jordan & Tat) is at heart a beat dance. Slotting musicality into a beat dance is not quite the same as learning to dance in a way that is sympathetic to the structure of a whole track.

    As for winging it, there's a lot to be said for that. But that tends to go one of two ways. Your natural ability to hear the nuances in the music will allow you to abandon the beat and dance smoothly, musically and in a very connected way with your partner

    Or your lack of natural ability will leave you looking like a demented spinning top throwing random shapes at your bewildered partner. Generally meaning that the dance ends up as comfortable as cramming size 11 feet into a size 9 dance shoes

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Or your lack of natural ability will leave you looking like a demented spinning top throwing random shapes at your bewildered partner. Generally meaning that the dance ends up as comfortable as cramming size 11 feet into a size 9 dance shoes
    so thats why my feet hurt so much

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Give yourselves a break! In fairness Modern Jive and WCS are beat dances, whereas Blues and Tango really aren't.
    Mmm... sort of. There are beats, they're just not dominant.

    I'd say it's more that in Blues and Tango you can ignore the beat of a track at will, whereas in MJ and (possibly) WCS, the movements are more tied to the musical phrases. So it makes sense that Blues and Tango dancers can tend to develop more musical creativity.

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    If you have spent time learning to dance Modern Jive and/or WCS you will have been taught how and where to find your musical cues in the music to suit your beat dancing.
    Sounds right - same for salsa. Taking salsa again as an example, there's very little musicality in salsa, simply because there's little room for interpretation - you pretty much have to fit your movements into the rhythm of the music.

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    If you want to dance non-beat dances, grab a couple of classes... just like you did when you wanted to do a beat dance.
    Actually, I'm wondering if learning something like modern dance or dance improv. classes might be better for that sort of thing...

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post


    Its rare i've ever had to walk off the dance floor but unfortunately I had one of those occasions this weekend whilst 'trying' to dance to

    It might be a good track, with lots of emotion etc. but really? In the afternoon?
    Shock stun horror: a DJ plays a request~ some get it, some don't. Have I missed something?? Did someone die?

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Most good WCS dancers (not just talking about pros) dont seem to have trouble expressing the structure of the whole of whatever track they're dancing to (lyrics always seem to be a big driving force)


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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    maybe you need to go to a musicality workshop such as cj's or if he ever teaches in the uk again cerocmetros as they teach how to listen to the music and not related to one style of dance.
    since doing both i hear music in a totally different light and i dont mean just when i am dancing
    Martin I have been to CJ's musicality class, I have also been to a musicality class by Kyle and Sarah, nothing has changed.
    I was talking to CJ on this subject at Hemsby, he certainly believes Musicality can be learn't, if so I have a very long journey ahead of moi

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    I admire your candor Gerry. The bottom line is that WCS (even extra musical WCS danced by the likes of Jordan & Tat) is at heart a beat dance. Slotting musicality into a beat dance is not quite the same as learning to dance in a way that is sympathetic to the structure of a whole track.
    WCS may be a beat dance for the vast majority but at the upper echolons we are talking a totally different level. I have seen Lee and Fab dance, Lee's choreography perfectly fits the feel of the music. When you start looking at Tat and Jordan you certainly don't feel that they are just dancing, you feel as if there is a story being acted infront of you. I would say that is not dancing to the beat.

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    Martin I have been to CJ's musicality class, I have also been to a musicality class by Kyle and Sarah, nothing has changed.
    I was talking to CJ on this subject at Hemsby, he certainly believes Musicality can be learn't, if so I have a very long journey ahead of moi
    then maybe it is exactly as lori said and some dancers are rhythm based and some are musicality based
    neither being better than the other just different

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    Re: Blues - A step to far

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    WCS may be a beat dance for the vast majority but at the upper echolons we are talking a totally different level. I have seen Lee and Fab dance, Lee's choreography perfectly fits the feel of the music. When you start looking at Tat and Jordan you certainly don't feel that they are just dancing, you feel as if there is a story being acted infront of you. I would say that is not dancing to the beat.
    maybe you think this because you are rhythm based and dont hear the music in the same way as stokie would

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Mmm... sort of. There are beats, they're just not dominant.
    Yeah, that was a broad sweep of the brush I know.. but in the context of this discussion I think it sort of works as an explanation. Although 'just not dominant' is a little more accurate

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    While I'm enjoying snooping in on this discussion, would a lovely(tm) mod please add an extra 'o' in the appropriate place. It's making my eyes bleed every time I look at the thread title!!

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