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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Blimey, Minnie, there are literally thousands of possible dance styles....
    OK....... please excuse my ignorance, but can you give a couple of examples from the literally thouse of possible dance styles - which are partnered dancing and allow young teenagers to participate within 20minutes (approx) drive from Amersham ?? (and not ballroom0

    In fact - forget about the location, what are they ?


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    OK....... please excuse my ignorance, but can you give a couple of examples from the literally thouse of possible dance styles - which are partnered dancing and allow young teenagers to participate within 20minutes (approx) drive from Amersham ?? (and not ballroom0

    In fact - forget about the location, what are they ?
    Salsa and lindy hop (without the aerials) might be good places to start. Some folk/country dances, if they're into that kind of music.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    Salsa and lindy hop (without the aerials) might be good places to start. Some folk/country dances, if they're into that kind of music.
    I don't think they have youngster Salsa classes, Lindy, possibly - but none in his area.

    not sure the boys would like folk & country dancing definitely wouldnt like the music

    Which makes me think, regardless of DB thinking it is not 'proper' dancing - it is taught to modern music which appeals more to youngsters - AND - in my opinion, dancing is dancing and to get young boys to dance at that age, should we be worrying about the dance style ????

    AND .......... some of the UK's best dancers came from a Modern Jive background - didn't do them any harm


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    OK....... please excuse my ignorance, but can you give a couple of examples from the literally thouse of possible dance styles - which are partnered dancing and allow young teenagers to participate within 20minutes (approx) drive from Amersham ?? (and not ballroom0

    In fact - forget about the location, what are they ?
    I would have thought that either MJ or Salsa would be the 2 dance styles to consider.

    As they are boys the individual dance style that they would be most interested in I would think is Street dance.

    They would be the areas I would research.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    OK....... please excuse my ignorance, but can you give a couple of examples from the literally thouse of possible dance styles - which are partnered dancing and allow young teenagers to participate within 20minutes (approx) drive from Amersham ?? (and not ballroom0
    OK, you've slightly narrowed the goalposts there with those caveats...

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    In fact - forget about the location, what are they ?
    Well, there's 500-odd listed here to get started with.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    Which makes me think, regardless of DB thinking it is not 'proper' dancing - it is taught to modern music which appeals more to youngsters - AND - in my opinion, dancing is dancing and to get young boys to dance at that age, should we be worrying about the dance style ????
    Which is why I asked, what are you trying to achieve, right at the start?

    For example:
    • Are you trying to get them interested in dancing (any dancing)? If so, sure, MJ is fine.
    • Are you trying to teach them to dance (that is, they're already interested)? If so, MJ is a bad option.


    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    AND .......... some of the UK's best dancers came from a Modern Jive background
    Sorry, but I find that extremely hard to believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by ant View Post
    As they are boys the individual dance style that they would be most interested in I would think is Street dance.

    They would be the areas I would research.
    Yep - frankly, most boys may be more interested in that sort of dance than partner dancing anyhow.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by ant View Post
    I would have thought that either MJ or Salsa would be the 2 dance styles to consider.

    As they are boys the individual dance style that they would be most interested in I would think is Street dance.

    They would be the areas I would research.
    hmmmm.......... at Camber they were not interested in the Street Dancing classes

    THEY want to learn MJ/Ceroc, it ticks their boxes, such as the music, easy to learn and Dad and Grandma do it


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Which is why I asked, what are you trying to achieve, right at the start?

    For example:
    • Are you trying to get them interested in dancing (any dancing)? If so, sure, MJ is fine.
    • Are you trying to teach them to dance (that is, they're already interested)? If so, MJ is a bad option.
    I am not trying to get them to do anything - it is their choice and their choice of dance, I am, with the help of my fellow forumites, trying to find out where they can do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    ......Yep - frankly, most boys may be more interested in that sort of dance than partner dancing anyhow.
    see post above


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post

    THEY want to learn MJ/Ceroc, it ticks their boxes, such as the music, easy to learn and Dad and Grandma do it
    Really David,are you being awkward for awkwards sake.Its obvious what Minnie is asking. For Christ sake answer it if not shut up.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    I still think that ballroom lessons would work well for under 16s. I really do think it's wrong to dismiss this option, especially when there's so much poor teaching of MJ from poor teachers with no dance background or qualifications. The 'nearest' class for MJ might be one of self-selected, self-elected, experts that infest MJ. On the other hand, most ballroom and Latin teachers have been through a rigorous process of training, examination and on-going asessment.

    Also the great thing about ballroom and Latin lessons is that they are just one hour long. They fit in with term-time life. On the other hand, MJ is a whole dance experience which includes a lot of freestyle - this 3 hours of lessons and dancing suits adults, but doesn't suit children, especially on a school night.

    There's a great deal in common between MJ and the Latin American dances. After a few terms of Ballroom & Latin and a few medals exams they'd be fabulous dancers with great poise and posture - now that would really impress people at MJ weekenders!

    In terms of getting involved with Dad's hobby, why can't Dad (and Grandma) do a few months of ballroom & Latin? It's still partner dancing and great fun.

    N.B. MJ is obviously seen as great fun by ballroom dancers. Over the last year we've a full-time ballroom dancing teacher attending our lessons and workshops. She said she'd "tried LeRoc a few years ago" but stopped very quickly when the teacher couldn't answer a simple question about the footwork! We also have a full-time ballet teacher attending our lessons for quite a few years who has said very similar things.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by djtrev View Post
    Really David,are you being awkward for awkwards sake.Its obvious what Minnie is asking. For Christ sake answer it if not shut up.
    Being a forum it isn't just Minnie M that may be looking. Pointing out the alternatives may benefit others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    AND .......... some of the UK's best dancers came from a Modern Jive background - didn't do them any harm
    And it is worth challenging statements that don't seem plausible.


    It might be worth looking into college/university dance classes. For some university classes you don't have to be attending the institution.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    I dont wish to offend anybody but these are young lads with a liking for modern music and they have had a taste of MJ.
    Why on earth do they want to get involved in doing quicksteps,foxtrots and waltzes.
    It isn't modern and it certainly isn't cool.
    Come off your strictly structured dance teachers fence and look at it from the modern world of todays teenager.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Being a forum it isn't just Minnie M that may be looking. Pointing out the alternatives may benefit others..
    Yes you are right, but most of the posts DB had written were actually directed to me

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    And it is worth challenging statements that don't seem plausible.....
    OK.......to start with I believe even Ryan Francois started with MJ (as per the 'Jive Bunny' vid) he is rated as UK's top Lindy Hop teacher and dancer. AND the Barkers (David & Lily) are UK & International champs in more than one style of dance


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by djtrev View Post
    I dont wish to offend anybody but these are young lads with a liking for modern music and they have had a taste of MJ.
    Why on earth do they want to get involved in doing quicksteps,foxtrots and waltzes.
    It isn't modern and it certainly isn't cool.
    Come off your strictly structured dance teachers fence and look at it from the modern world of todays teenager.

    double thank you djtrev


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by djtrev View Post
    I dont wish to offend anybody but these are young lads with a liking for modern music and they have had a taste of MJ.
    Why on earth do they want to get involved in doing quicksteps,foxtrots and waltzes.
    It isn't modern and it certainly isn't cool.
    Come off your strictly structured dance teachers fence and look at it from the modern world of todays teenager.
    There's more teenagers doing ballroom dance than MJ, loads more. The UKA alone has about 10,000 teachers - I understand that a huge proportion of their students are under 18. And there's loads of other organisations who have plenty of full time teachers. Don't get the idea that ballroom is for old fogeys. Follow this link for the Junior Championships timetable - there's nothing like it in MJ!

    Our responsibility as adults is to ensure that our brood get a good education. Preferably a well-rounded education. Do you send your children to a dance class where the teacher is questionalble or sub-standard in terms of dance knowledge or a class where the teacher is trained, measured, etc.

    Some MJ classes are run by teachers who have a fantastic background in dance. Other classes are run by people who stand still like non-dancers and get worse with every step they take and every move they make. There is no quality control in many MJ classes and it shows. Don't run the risk that you will saddle your young with their bad habits. A good grounding in proper partner dance techniques will be fabulous for anybody who wants to enjoy MJ - and starting young means they've plenty of time to do it all. When they're young you can influence them - saying "my friend Andy (the sexy dance God ) thinks that 24 hours of ballroom and Latin classes will make you one of the best MJ dancers in the UK" might tip the balance
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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
    ../snip/....When they're young you can influence them ../snip/....
    You can try, but most youngsters today know what they want and what they want to do - as a father of 3 beautiful and intelligent girls, you know that


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    You can try, but most youngsters today know what they want and what they want to do - as a father of 3 beautiful and intelligent girls, you know that
    I also know how I can influence them. It was easy when they were teenagers. Every parent knows better than to tell them what to do. But you can still get them to do what's good for them.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    I am not trying to get them to do anything - it is their choice and their choice of dance, I am, with the help of my fellow forumites, trying to find out where they can do it.
    There are salsa classes for kids, e.g. http://www.cubashe2.co.uk/salsaforkidz.htm

    Check out www.salsajive.co.uk for lists of salsa classes on their map.

    SpinDr

    P.S. A quick google and they even have their own weekender http://www.childrenteensalsacongress.com/
    Last edited by spindr; 6th-June-2011 at 07:56 PM.

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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by spindr View Post
    There are salsa classes for kids, e.g. http://www.cubashe2.co.uk/salsaforkidz.htm

    SpinDr

    Quite funny actually, Leo teaches and has dances in my area (Hove) and I have trying to find out more info about him - so thanks for that. However, no good for my grandsons, even if they were interested in Salsa, as they live over 80 miles away from Hove.

    Have checked out your site for modern jive classes their area and have actually found a class in Hemel who are prepared to take on 14year olds, so thanks again SpinDr, just got him to let the 12year old go too.

    PS: I went to Leo's classes about 5 years ago - great teacher, unfortunately I only did about half dozen classes, as I got hooked on lindy at the same time
    Last edited by Minnie M; 6th-June-2011 at 08:13 PM.


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    Re: Ceroc / Modern Jive for the under 18s

    Quote Originally Posted by spindr View Post
    .....P.S. A quick google and they even have their own weekender http://www.childrenteensalsacongress.com/
    What a fabby site


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