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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Oh God yes - there are all manner of things we can happily blame the Major administration for, and Tories in general.
    The grossly dissembling Tony Blair in No. 10, for a start.

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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    "I would like to make an appointment..."
    "...22nd Feb.." (call on 10th)
    "I am in considerable pain, its getting worse, I think its an infection."
    "You could see a doctor tomorrow"
    "...Yes, please..."
    "Ring up tomorrow after 8:30"
    "Why can't I book now?"
    No answer

    In the event I went to their drop in centre and was told to take Paracetamol & Ibuprofen. They would not give me anti-biotics, in spite of being shown nasty inflamed wound.

    I got home and my legs collapsed under me. Got anti-biotics from A&E

    They want to give my doctor more power ...

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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver View Post
    "I would like to make an appointment..."
    "...22nd Feb.." (call on 10th)
    "I am in considerable pain, its getting worse, I think its an infection."
    "You could see a doctor tomorrow"
    "...Yes, please..."
    "Ring up tomorrow after 8:30"
    "Why can't I book now?"
    No answer

    In the event I went to their drop in centre and was told to take Paracetamol & Ibuprofen. They would not give me anti-biotics, in spite of being shown nasty inflamed wound.

    I got home and my legs collapsed under me. Got anti-biotics from A&E

    They want to give my doctor more power ...
    In future the Dr. may just punch you before he prescribes the paracetemol. Still, thats progress for you

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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    Quote Originally Posted by geoff332 View Post
    And, in the UK, if you want to find capable staff with experience in commissioning, then you will probably have to hire them from the (now defunct) PCTs. It's quite possible that at least some of these people will recieve sizeable redundancy packages then get rehired at about the same salary to do basically the same job but for a smaller population.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble View Post
    Most of the management schemes that have ever been tried for the NHS were probably not run for long enough to produce maximum benefit. I think that's the natural outcome of changing the system too frequently, you get huge disruption, huge costs, but the system is never allowed to settle down for long enough to reap any benefits.

    ...

    Therefore, I suggest the biggest problem in the NHS management has been, and continues to be the frequency and scale of meddling carried out by the Secretary of State for Health (rather than the actual management system in place at any one time).


    Yes, the whole idea is bonkers. While there is plenty of scope to improve the existing PCTs, kicking over the entire system is not the answer.


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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    I wonder if it would be possible to mount the sort of blanket opposition to these changes as there was to the sell off of the forestry land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    I wonder if it would be possible to mount the sort of blanket opposition to these changes as there was to the sell off of the forestry land?
    Unfortunately selling off your local forest is an easier concept to grasp than shutting down a PCT - I don't think the public (or many MPs?) really understand the implications at this stage.

    The best hope is a rebellion by GPs - look out for the outcome of a BMA meeting on 15th of this month. According to a survey published today in Pulse, out of those who replied:

    • 56% of GPs have 'no confidence' in the Health Secretary
    • 46% are in favour of GP fund holding
    • 34% support the abolition of PCTs
    • 14% support opening the NHS market to other providers

    (http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.as...de=4128691&c=2)

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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFox View Post
    Unfortunately selling off your local forest is an easier concept to grasp than shutting down a PCT - I don't think the public (or many MPs?) really understand the implications at this stage.


    • 46% are in favour of GP fund holding
    • 34% support the abolition of PCTs
    • 14% support opening the NHS market to other providers
    (http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?

    sectioncode=35&storycode=4128691&c=2)
    I am surprised the figures are that high. I guess it depends on the quality of the PCT in any one area as to the reaction of the GPs.

    I do fear too much power going to one area of the health service especially as there are a lot of people who are disgruntled with their GP and the service they receive from them.

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    Re: Privatising the NHS.

    There was a good item on Channel 4 news last night about the fact that some GPs own shares in clinics.

    So, obviously, there's a conflict of interest if those GPs refer their patients to those clinics.

    And guess what? That will not be illegal - there's nothing in the legislation to stop them from doing that. The minister was interviewed, and he said "Oh, don't worry, it'll all be covered by the rules". And he referred to this omission as a "lacuna", which, whilst quite cool as a term, seems simply to be a way of avoiding using the word "total balls-up".

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