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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    In the news today...
    ...is considering suing !
    In my, thankfully very limited, experience of being sued, people who say they are thinking or threatening to sue , very rarely do so

    If someone is going to sue you, the first you know about it, is the letter from their solicitors

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by philsmove View Post
    In my, thankfully very limited, experience of being sued, people who say they are thinking or threatening to sue , very rarely do so
    "relevant experience is directly proportional to the value of one's opinion"

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    I lived in Holland for a long time and was curious as to how the Dutch papers would report this so I had a look on 'tinternet today. They don't give the full name of the guy who's been charged, only his first name and initial of surname, and though they have published a photo, it is partially covered so he is not instantly recognisable.

    I really do hope they have got the right guy, but at least in Holland, his face and every last detail of his life isn't being splattered across the front pages the way it is here. Whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glads View Post
    Whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?
    It doesn't sell enough papers..................

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by philsmove View Post
    if your are arrested on suspicion of something, surely it means the police think you MIGHT have done it
    well yes, but your link was to an article that did not show that he might have done it, there was no content other than "he was arrested". I felt you were overstating his possible guilt.

    BTW what has happened to the phrase "helping the police with their enquiries
    Probably last seen before newspapers felt that they had to sensationalise everything. They are truly awful nowadays and have been for many years. Grrr!

    One thought, if the media are covering an incident near were you live . Go and get a haircut
    Indeed. And don't ever volunteer your DNA - if a crime happens anywhere you have been, don't be surprised if you get called in and end up on the front page of the Sun and vilified


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    It doesn't sell enough papers..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    And don't ever volunteer your DNA
    I expect anyone who declines an invitation to give a DNA sample will get arrested pretty soon afterwards. Of course once you're arrested they have the right to take a sample. If you refuse saliva or blood they'll just pluck a hair. One Bristol MP even wanted to DNA test every man in Bristol! Apparently it's been done before and 4500 men had their DNA taken.

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble View Post
    I expect anyone who declines an invitation to give a DNA sample will get arrested pretty soon afterwards.
    Have we arrived in a police state? I'd go to prison for that just to prove the point.

    . One Bristol MP even wanted to DNA test every man in Bristol!
    Yes, she is a complete idiot. This is the MP who tweeted poll counts and could have got 6 months in prison. They let her off for some reason. Please explain any logic at all behind DNA sampling an enormous transient population? And would you pay for it knowing its likelihood of success is 0?

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    Further to the 4500 people who had their DNA taken before for the other murder trail. The details are here but the important bit...
    Police visited 10,500 homes during the investigation and also interviewed more than 14,800 people. DNA tests were carried out on 4,500 men. A sample was also requested from Frost, who had been staying at his parents' house for the Christmas holidays. He agreed, but did not turn up to an appointment, and then left for South Africa to take up a job with an engineering company.

    Officers contacted him there and mouths swabs were eventually taken, which resulted in a close DNA match. Police travelled to South Africa to interview him, and he then returned to Britain, where he was arrested.
    So Frost, the murderer, was caught because he was a suspect already. The mass DNA screening of 4500 was a pointless waste of money.

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by philsmove View Post
    In my, thankfully very limited, experience of being sued, people who say they are thinking or threatening to sue , very rarely do so

    If someone is going to sue you, the first you know about it, is the letter from their solicitors
    Yeah. It's free to say "I'm considering legal action" - blimey, everyone seems to say that phrase at the drop of a hat - but it costs money to actually do it.

    I think it'd be quite difficult to go after the police for wrongful arrest - unless they genuinely had zero reason to suspect him and simply arrested him because he looked weird.

    And I suspect Chris Jefferies would have far more luck going after the newspapers who printed any old rubbish about him - I think the McCanns did that, didn't they, and they won?

    Jefferies would be far better off getting Max Clifford on the case; Clifford would get onto a reality show or something and make some dosh out of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Have we arrived in a police state? I'd go to prison for that just to prove the point.
    According to Wikipedia the situation is different depending on whether you live in Scotland or England and Wales. In England and Wales the threshold for taking DNA has been progressively lowered. If you're arrested on suspicion of any recordable offence a sample will be taken and you'll be on the database. I'd guess that refusing to provide a sample might arouse some suspicion, such that you'd get arrested, at which point you can't decline.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    The mass DNA screening of 4500 was a pointless waste of money.
    I imagine the police were quite pleased at having got 4500 extra people onto their database in one go.

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    The police have blotted their copybook, so far as I am concerned, on the question of DNA sampling.

    They are expressly forbidden from maintaining a DNA database. However, they do not destroy DNA data of those eliminated from enquiries, even after a conviction has been obtained.

    Judges sitting in criminal cases have asserted (and this went up at least to the Court of Appeal and possibly the Lords Judicial Committee) that it is in the interests of justice to admit DNA evidence even if the police have obtained it, or retained it, unlawfully.

    Since there is no incentive to comply with the requirement not to maintain a DNA database, the police continue to do so.

    Consequently, and speaking personally, I should decline to provide a DNA sample in all and any circumstances.

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    In the news today...
    ......, Chris Jefferies is considering suing the police for wrongful
    I suppose in his defence, he's done nothing wrong, ....!
    Over a month later, he has not been discharged yet and is still on bail

    http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by philsmove View Post
    Over a month later, he has not been discharged yet and is still on bail

    http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
    If it emerges that he had no involvement in the crime the police will have a lot of egg on their face, and could be facing a large compensation claim.

    I can't help wondering if the police might be looking through everything he said to them to see if he could be charged with wasting police time. I suppose that might help neutralise a compensation claim.

    Is the person who has been charged on remand, or on bail?

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    Re: The mystery of the missing architect

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble View Post
    Is the person who has been charged on remand, or on bail?
    He is locked up. Its rare to bailed when charged with Murder

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