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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    LL's original post seemed reasonable, and factual, to me. It was crowded, the floor was rubbish, and there were idiots doing aerials. None of these are disputed.

    As for "damaging to business", either:
    • Organisers do look at this thread - in which case they should fix things.
    • Organisers do not look at this thread - in which case, that's their loss and they've lost business and an opportunity to get free feedback.


    P.S. As this rate, this thread will turn into a "Dicussion about threads thread"

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Following Rocky's advice and information about who was in charge from Twirly, I complained by e-mail to Dave Bradley and have received a thoughtful reply indicating that he has altered the web site to give a truer picture of the facilities on The Boat - giving less prominence to the dancing.

    All good!
    Last edited by Easily Led; 8th-June-2011 at 06:36 PM.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Very poor track choice and awful sound

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by djtrev View Post
    Very poor track choice and awful sound
    Were you the DJing?
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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Were you the DJing?
    You dont know just how funny that was.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Easily Led View Post
    Following Rocky's advice and information about who was in charge from Twirly, I complained by e-mail to Dave Bradley and have received a thoughtful reply indicating that he has altered the web site to give a truer picture of the facilities on The Boat - giving less prominence to the dancing.

    All good!
    The new text reads:
    A unique social afternoon freestyle aboard a historic vessel with a fabulous aspect of the Thames. The Boat offers dancing inside in the Ballroom and al fresco on the aft deck. Refreshments are served below deck in the Ward Room and there is a fully licensed bar in the Gun Room. What a great way to spend a Sunday or a Bank Holiday Monday afternoon!

    Arrive early as this event is very popular and there is the chance that the event could sell out as the vessel has a fire limit capacity.

    Please note that this event is a unique and special social afternoon with the facility for dancing. The main dance floor is parque laid on the metal deck so has a natural spring and profile. When dry the outside decks can be used for dancing but are not designed as such. We offer the opportunity to mingle, socialise, partake of the hot drinks and treats, buy drinks from the bar, relax in a fabulous location and to dance. Please enjoy the afternoon as a whole.
    Seems reasonable.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Being dropped. AGAIN. And this time it was actually in the class as the lean was being taught.

    Yes, I get dropped from leans now as well. There must be something wrong with me.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    Yes, I get dropped from leans now as well. There must be something wrong with me.
    How many legs do you have? If it's less than 2 then yes it could be you. Otherwise it's definitely him. SAY SOMETHING WOMAN!

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    Being dropped. AGAIN. And this time it was actually in the class as the lean was being taught.

    Yes, I get dropped from leans now as well. There must be something wrong with me.
    Meghann, when doing leans you should be able to hold your own weight, if he he takes you well off you axis then you become his sole responsibility and he should ensure that he can cope with your weight.

    Personally I would go and have a chat with the teacher and make sure you understand what you are expected to do, you can then make an assumption on who is to blame concerning you being dropped. You can also ask the teacher to make a comment to the class concerning leans and drops and the etiquette around them

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Just wanted to clarify one or two issues about this thread and my comments regarding "The Boat";

    1. Although it may appear otherwise, I did not actually start this thread or come up with the title. This is only clear if you fully read the first few posts and related moderator comments / edits.

    2. The thread was created 9 months ago and no fuss was made about it at the time. In relation to my comments about the boat, all I did was to post them in an existing thread created for reviews that were more negative than positive. It didn't seem sensible to start an "aftermath" or specific event thread in this instance because this was not a week-ender or a major freestyle and only one other forum member is known to have been present on the afternoon in question (there may have been one or two others, but only Twirly has posted).

    3. I don't mind what the thread is called as long as there is somewhere to post comments about venues or events that are more negative than positive. My comments generally on this forum about the venues, freestyles etc I attend contain a lot more positive things than negative.

    4. I understand Rocky's point about one's experience sometimes being coloured by subjective or personal factors, however in this instance the negative factors I talked about in my post were factual.

    5. My comments were not wholly negative, as has been pointed out. The only other forum member that was there has agreed with what I said and a number of others who have attended the boat on other occasions also seem to have had similar experiences in the past.

    6. There are a variety of motivations for posting such comments such as finding out whether others others agree or disagree or have had similar experiences, informing other forum members, or just letting off steam. I agree that a direct complaint in writing is the best way to go if you are hoping to get some action to improve matters in the future and / or an apology. There are different reasons for posting about it on a public forum such as this.

    7. As can be seen above David Bradley did respond very promptly to an e-mail and has taken action. DB's response was I have to say exemplary - prompt, apologetic, thoughtful and rapidly followed up with some action in terms of the way the boat is described on the web site.

    8. The discussion about the boat has I think served a very useful purpose in that anyone thinking of visiting the boat can get a pretty good idea of what to expect and when would be the best time to go after reading all the comments that have been made. Clearly the boat is a unique venue with a distinct character which particularly lends itself to comfortable socialising. To be enjoyed at its best you need good weather, but be aware that the popularity of the venue and the limited size of the dance floor may well limit opportunities for comfortable dancing at peak times. All's well that ends well then.
    Last edited by Lost Leader; 9th-June-2011 at 10:44 AM. Reason: There's always something.

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    Last edited by Lost Leader; 9th-June-2011 at 10:50 AM. Reason: What a dork!

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    Meghann, when doing leans you should be able to hold your own weight,
    Yep - "fake leans" are quite easy and much safer than the real thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    if he he takes you well off you axis then you become his sole responsibility and he should ensure that he can cope with your weight.
    Agree 100%, unfortunately I don't believe that concepts of axis are taught in most Ceroc classes. Which is why leans and drops shouldn't really be taught in Ceroc classes.

    Meghann, if you're taking yourself off-axis - i.e. you're leaning yourself, bringing yourself off-balance - then yes, it's your responsibility if it goes wrong; you're basically asking the leader to rescue you from falling down. So try not to do that

    However, on the other hand, if the leader brings you off-axis, then it's definitely his fault if it goes wrong. He's the one who created the lean, he should be able to control the result. If he can't, he shouldn't be doing the lean in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    Personally I would go and have a chat with the teacher and make sure you understand what you are expected to do, you can then make an assumption on who is to blame concerning you being dropped. You can also ask the teacher to make a comment to the class concerning leans and drops and the etiquette around them
    Better yet, ask the teacher not to teach moves which result in the students being injured because they haven't been taught the concepts behind the move...

    Crazy thought, I know.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    I think this shows that approaching the organiser directly serves better than just discussing on here - but discussion on here can still be helpful - in this case it prompted LL to contact someone.

    I also thinks its great to hear the feedback as a result of contacting an organiser - shows that some are willing to listen to customers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Leader View Post
    8. The discussion about the boat has I think served a very useful purpose in that anyone thinking of visiting the boat can get a pretty good idea of what to expect and when would be the best time to go after reading all the comments that have been made. Clearly the boat is a unique venue with a distinct character which particularly lends itself to comfortable socialising. To be enjoyed at its best you need good weather, but be aware that the popularity of the venue and the limited size of the dance floor may well limit opportunities for comfortable dancing at peak times. All's well that ends well then.
    I think expectations of an event are important. If you go somewhere like the boat expecting a lot of dancing and you don't get that, its disappointing. If you go expecting a social occasion with dancers and some dancing, (which is fine, given that there are plenty of other events that you do get lots of dancing) then you'll not be disappointed.

    I went to the boat once, and would go again if I was in London on a Sunday it was on - its nice to go to a venue that offers something a bit different.
    Last edited by Lynn; 9th-June-2011 at 11:46 AM.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry View Post
    Meghann, when doing leans you should be able to hold your own weight, if he he takes you well off you axis then you become his sole responsibility and he should ensure that he can cope with your weight.

    Personally I would go and have a chat with the teacher and make sure you understand what you are expected to do, you can then make an assumption on who is to blame concerning you being dropped. You can also ask the teacher to make a comment to the class concerning leans and drops and the etiquette around them
    Maybe it wasn't technically a lean. The leader stands perpendicular to the follower and extends a leg forward, the follower hooks the right leg over the leaders's leg, the leader leans away from the follower, bringing her centre of gravity over the leader's leg.

    The ones who nearly dropped me pulled me a bit forward of their frame too late for me to unhook my leg and take my own weight, and hence they had to use their arm to hold on to me. I'm not sure why this kept happening or whether other people were having the same difficulty. The fact that it worked fine with the taller men makes me tempted to say it was because of my height again. I'm not saying it was definitely not my fault, but...

    (I'm not actually that much of a giant, but the average height of men at this venue is particularly small...)

    The one who actually dropped me actually started moving backwards while I was still in the lean. That wasn't my fault.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    Maybe it wasn't technically a lean. The leader stands perpendicular to the follower and extends a leg forward, the follower hooks the right leg over the leaders's leg, the leader leans away from the follower, bringing her centre of gravity over the leader's leg.
    That sounds... well, quite tango-y actually.

    From the description, I'm surprised this was taught at a Ceroc class. (</snoot>)

    But if you're off-axis, it's a lean.

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    The ones who nearly dropped me pulled me a bit forward of their frame too late for me to unhook my leg and take my own weight, and hence they had to use their arm to hold on to me. I'm not sure why this kept happening or whether other people were having the same difficulty. The fact that it worked fine with the taller men makes me tempted to say it was because of my height again. I'm not saying it was definitely not my fault, but...
    I am. It was definitely not your fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by meghann View Post
    The one who actually dropped me actually started moving backwards while I was still in the lean. That wasn't my fault.
    That was a damn silly thing for him to do, wasn't it? That absolutely was not your fault.

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    From the description, I'm surprised this was taught at a Ceroc class. (</snoot>)
    It wasn't a Ceroc class - it's another franchise. It was a guest instructor too, and I don't recall any of the regular instructors teaching moves where it's impossible to take your own weight (or where there's not a variation where you can take your own weight).

    I'm going to the same venue with the same guest instructor tonight. If he teaches the same lean again, I'm going to do my own variation in which I can take my own weight, which is what I should have done last night...

    Oh, and I've had a word with the organiser about dips and drops etiquette, so hopefully reminders from instructors will be forthcoming

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    The Boat

    I read David Bradley's description of the boat, I last went there long ago, before the refit. Anybody, is the HMS President dancefloor still cambered?

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    I personally nearly threw up when the "Amazing night" thread was started. A more pointless and sycophantic thread you couldn't wish for. Utterly pointless to organisers and dancers (except possibly as some sort of reflected glory, "if I say the night was amazing enough times, I sound amazing" type of way).

    Don't think much more of this thread, but at least it balances the issue.

    Truthfully, there are very few nights/events that are really "amazing" (with no negatives) or truly "spoilt" (with no positives). Yes, it does happen occasionally, but generally, such extreme reviews on both sides of the coin are suspect at best.

    So I agree with Rocky (Garghhhhh!), in a perfect world dump this thread, also dump the "amazing" thread, get rid of the over the top hyperbole and start a proper adult thread where both organisers and dancers can get more balanced reviews if they wish.

    Just my ever so humble opinion for what it's worth

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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by TA Guy View Post
    Truthfully, there are very few nights/events that are really "amazing" (with no negatives) or truly "spoilt" (with no positives). Yes, it does happen occasionally, but generally, such extreme reviews on both sides of the coin are suspect at best.
    I agree that the Amazing thread can be over the top but some nights 'are' amazing and why shouldn't people say so, if they want to?


    dump the "amazing" thread, get rid of the over the top hyperbole and start a proper adult thread where both organisers and dancers can get more balanced reviews if they wish.
    Just my ever so humble opinion for what it's worth
    Not worth a lot to me I'm afraid.

    People who contribute by writing reviews, amazing, not so amazing, balanced or otherwise, opinions are worth far more to me!

    Not people who read others reviews and then scoff at them, they get on my wick actually!
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    Re: What spoilt last night for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I agree that the Amazing thread can be over the top but some nights 'are' amazing and why shouldn't people say so, if they want to?






    Not worth a lot to me I'm afraid.

    People who contribute by writing reviews, amazing, not so amazing, balanced or otherwise, opinions are worth far more to me!

    Not people who read others reviews and then scoff at them, they get on my wick actually!
    ,
    I agree with you Lory about sometimes being a bit over the top - I'm probably guilty at times myself. That said I do love to see positive feedback. I think if the organisers have put on a really good evening, it a good venue or really good music, why not let others know. As for this thread I thought it was about giving constructive criticism rather than a general moan that could be helpful for a better evening in the future. The thing is, if this isn't your kind of thread, my advice is don't bother with it and read a section of the forum that you enjoy.

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