Oh, I have an idea what he's 'getting at' too. But once he starts saying "Andy's definition of frame is no good", then I think it's incumbent upon him to provide a definition of his own that is, at minimum, self-consistent.
It is probably the mathmo (aka supreme pedant) in me that reflexively looks at a definition and looks for internal contradictions. But I do think I'm not just being picky here, because I'm honestly left feeling there's a bit of "Frame is what you have when you're doing it right", as opposed to a definition sufficiently specific that you can use to tell if someone's doing it right.
[To sidetrack to something we've discussed previously: Geoff's description reminds me of 'explanations' from Skippy Blair. It's much better at telling us that frame is good, frame makes your dancing better, etc. than it is at telling us what frame actually is].
I would agree, but then I also think your choice of word is telling: 'tone' is much more descriptive here than 'frame'.I think the point he’s trying to make about the hands is that it isn’t so important that they stay in one place relative to the body, much like the arms on a forklift do. What is important is that they have enough tone in them that they can transmit the movement of the body when needed to lead.
Certainly my experience in these discussions is that there's far more difference in the way people talk about what they do than there is in what they actually do. (And you can read that sentence in many different ways... )I’m confused as to whether the two are debating something significant or
just a point of semantics.
I can't resist pointing out that to simply avoid falling into a mass of steaming internal organs, you need to move your core/torso pretty much as a single unit. Which is fatuous, but I do think people tend to do this reasonably well by default. 90% of the time I think of someone having poor frame, it's not their core that's the problem, it's spaghetti arms.To be able to body lead you need to move your core/torso pretty much as a single unit.
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