Stop calling me a man!

[Andy McGregor]

If a man is lead by a woman does that make him a raving poof?

That question must be rhetorical. All men who dance are raving poofs.

Real men play Rugby to prove they are not raving poofs, a game where they find a cold, wet field, jam their heads between the hips of other guys and shove their shoulders against their butt cheeks. And to remove any doubt about them being poofs they shower together, drink and sing together and go home too drunk to have sex with a woman.

[Gav]

If a man is lead by a woman does that make him a raving poof?

Yes it does.
Any more questions?

[philsmove]

Ceroc 10 Commandments
The ten most important things you should know when attending your first Ceroc night

1. You don¹t need to come with a partner.
2. It doesn¹t matter if you miss a week.
3. The more you dance in the freestyle the quicker you learn.
4. The women ask the men to dance as much as the men ask the women.
5. For fast track learning, try a 4-hour weekend workshop.
6. No Ceroc venue allows you to bring in your own drink.
7. Saying no to someone when they ask you to dance is unusual at Ceroc.
8. Teachers are very approachable and happy to go through the routine with you.
9. It usually takes about 6 beginner's classes before you'll feel comfortable in the Intermediate class.
10. Oh Yerr, the man leads and the lady follows

[Double Trouble]

Ceroc 10 Commandments

I don't go to Ceroc classes. My local venue is an independent.

[philsmove]

I don't go to Ceroc classes. My local venue is an independent.

To be honest I have never seen the tenth commandment enforced in any Ceroc or Independent venue

At my class, ladies often lead in classes and men often follow in the freestyle

I have only lead a man once in a class, that was Sherif, of Leroc UK, when was doing his teacher exam

[robd]

And you really needed to quote the whole of DT's post to ask that Prian?

[One]

And you really needed to quote the whole of DT's post to ask that Prian?

I quite agree!!! It's totally ruined my weekend that quote, totally unnecessary not to mention the complete disregard for hard drive space, internet bandwidth, .. I could go on.

Robd, - you really should be promoted to moderator

[Prian]

DT you said "don't quote it all." Sorry, but I don't know how to split the passages of text up into smaller ones

[jim]

one of the things I like about having to follow when my wife leads is I get to do all the hijacks she normally pulls on me back to her. A dish best served cold, when she's not expecting it.

First move push off's, shoulder slide stop and blocks, basket duck unders.... (where's the evil grinning smiley? )

I almost rep-ed you, but you really shouldn't sink to their level.

[Double Trouble]

DT you said "don't quote it all." Sorry, but I don't know how to split the passages of text up into smaller ones

I recall I got some neg rep from someone when I first started on the forum for quoting a whole post when I didn't need to. I too didn't know how to edit a quote for the purpose of a reply and didn't realise there was "forum etiquette" to adhere to. I'll PM you.

[Prian]

Anyway back on thread ish. I have been led by a guy, on stage in a Ceroc class in front of a church full of Charismatic Christian Cerocers.

Interesting.

Not the being led or dancing with a guy (I must stress not a regular occurance), but the very mixed reactions. Though most of the negative remarks did come from the newer members

[David Bailey]

That said, I'd probably never dance as a follow in a milonga.

Ironically, I did this on Saturday.

But that was in Birmingham so doesn't count.

[DD+]

I remember how horrid it was with some follows in the line up looking at you as if to say are you a lesbian i dont want to hold your hand! And men asking why are you here in the line up - "ladies" should queue up over there!
I stuck with it and found some venues better than other - so please stick with it and dont give in to the miserable gits - you've paid your money so you can lead or follow

Good luck and look forward to a dance soon

[Andy McGregor]

- you've paid your money so you can lead or follow

Although I agree with ladies leading in particular. I disagree in general with people who say 'I've paid my money can do what I want'. You have to comply with the terms of admission. You must comply if those terms of admission say that you can't do something, for instance, drops.

[Double Trouble]

I disagree in general with people who say 'I've paid my money can do what I want'.

Bugger! I was planning on turning up tonight to continue learning to lead in a Lime green G-String and 2 Vauxhall Astra hub caps fashioned into a bikini top.

[Gerry]

Although I agree with ladies leading in particular. I disagree in general with people who say 'I've paid my money can do what I want'. You have to comply with the terms of admission. You must comply if those terms of admission say that you can't do something, for instance, drops.

Ok but does it say a man can't learn to follow or a lady can't lead

I have on a number of occassions been a follower in a WCS class, alot of the guys who know me well still showed a body language which was I don't want to lead you. I have never had anyone drop out because they were about to lead me in the lesson.

[Andy McGregor]

Bugger! I was planning on turning up tonight to continue learning to lead in a Lime green G-String and 2 Vauxhall Astra hub caps fashioned into a bikini top.

I think the terms and conditions state that G-strings must be orange and hub caps must come from cars built before 1999 - otherwise you can go ahead with your plan

[MarkW]

Although I agree with ladies leading in particular. I disagree in general with people who say 'I've paid my money can do what I want'. You have to comply with the terms of admission. You must comply if those terms of admission say that you can't do something, for instance, drops.

My funniest experience of consumer power was when giving the review class in the days when there were four moves rather than three. Occasionally it was a squish getting all four moves in and one time I said "It's looking like we may not get to review the fourth move but I hope that everyone is OK with spending time getting happy with the first three." To which the lady I had just danced the third move with said "Oh no. I've paid my £7 and I'm expecting you to take me all the way."

She did mean it as a joke. Strangely, after I stopped laughing, I felt flattered rather than cheap. Must be a self-esteem issue

[Andy McGregor]

I have on a number of occassions been a follower in a WCS class, alot of the guys who know me well still showed a body language which was I don't want to lead you. I have never had anyone drop out because they were about to lead me in the lesson.

My guess is that peer group pressure was brought to bear. Those guys didn't want to lead another guy but thought it was acceptable at the class and didn't want to make a fuss. A bit like going topless in St Tropez - they didn't want to be the only one wearing a bikini top!

[Andy McGregor]

when giving the review class in the days when there were four moves rather than three.

Are there many classes that teach 3 moves in the beginners?

Speaking for myself I still teach 4 moves but do so in 3 teaches. I combine the shortest move with the one before or after and teach as if it were one move. I still name both moves but take them both forward together.