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  • I go to weekenders for social and dancing only

    13 56.52%
  • I go to weekenders for everything it offers

    11 47.83%
  • Dancing only PLUS pre-paid master classes

    2 8.70%
  • Charge more for the classes option to offset price

    2 8.70%
  • Not cost effective to do

    1 4.35%
  • Not bothered either way

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Thread: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    This brings me to... what makes these workshops so different from an MJ weekender? A few things. (I suspect this will have a lot in common with Tango & WCS events?)

    Levels. There are a lot of levels (Snowball has five, some have more), carefully defined, and to get into Advanced and above, you generally need to audition. Progression is much easier if everyone in a class is of a similar standard.
    Well, that obviously wouldn't work in Modern Jive, since in MJ you learn most from the beginners you dance with...

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    Well, that obviously wouldn't work in Modern Jive, since in MJ you learn most from the beginners you dance with...
    So that's where I've been going wrong of late

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Slightly sad.
    Sad? In what way? Sad the Minnie does not want to go to classes? Sad because people will miss her from those classes? or she is a sad person generally? or maybe she doesn't like the darkness of the winter months? or are you suggesting that YOU are slightly sad?

    its not clear

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    So that's where I've been going wrong of late
    Want me to teach you tango? I've had one lesson

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Want me to teach you tango? I've had one lesson
    Tango is a special case. For Tango(*), optimum learning results are gained by dancing with beginners who have been to Buenos Aires (**).

    (*) Note the capitalisation. If it helps, think of how you'd write the name of any other deity, such as God, or Buddha.

    (**) It is not necessary that they danced Tango there. As any Tangoista will know, merely breathing the atmosphere at BsAs immediately moves your Tango onto a higher plane than the rest of us can possibly imagine.

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Sad? In what way? Sad the Minnie does not want to go to classes? Sad because people will miss her from those classes? or she is a sad person generally? or maybe she doesn't like the darkness of the winter months? or are you suggesting that YOU are slightly sad?

    its not clear
    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    there are few classes I go to at Modern Jive weekends, for two reasons, lack of sleep or the fact I have been dancing for 15 years now and don't really want to learn any more.
    Not the classes as such. The motivation (highlighted in bold).

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Sad? In what way? Sad the Minnie does not want to go to classes? Sad because people will miss her from those classes? or she is a sad person generally? or maybe she doesn't like the darkness of the winter months? or are you suggesting that YOU are slightly sad?

    its not clear

    thanks Smurfman


    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Not the classes as such. The motivation (highlighted in bold).
    After 15 years of dancing MJ I think I have learnt everything I want to know - however, I often join classes as a lead to help the newbies. Sounds arrogant ??? If so I apologise, I really am happy with what I know - which is primarily to follow. However, I do attend some classes different dance styles

    sad Minnie


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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post

    thanks Smurfman




    After 15 years of dancing MJ I think I have learnt everything I want to know - however, I often join classes as a lead to help the newbies. Sounds arrogant ??? If so I apologise, I really am happy with what I know - which is primarily to follow. However, I do attend some classes different dance styles

    sad Minnie
    Sounds reasonable to me.

    Whilst I appreciate that there's always something new to learn, that doesn't mean that everyone should keep learning whether they want to or not. Sometimes you just reach a point where you're happy with what you know and are just happy to keep on enjoying it.

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by ant View Post
    Well then DS, give an example of a non Ceroc weekender MJ or otherwise, that uses a different model, so we can discuss it. I did the best I could with Tango Mango.

    PS-DS there arn't many large scale weekenders around relating to MJ that are not Ceroc weekend and those that are use the same model

    Well they have been doing it in Ceroc Wellington, New Zealand for many years (very sucessfully too) - you pay for what workshops and what dance events you want to attend.

    http://www.simplyceroc.com

    Too late for this year.... but for those planning ahead, maybe next year...

    As to not wanting to do lessons and wanting to socialise and just dance... I cannot see anything sad with that.
    If you are happy with how you dance and want to just go along for fun, why not?

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    As to not wanting to do lessons and wanting to socialise and just dance... I cannot see anything sad with that.
    If you are happy with how you dance and want to just go along for fun, why not?
    I prefer to spend my time at weekenders, socialising and putting into practice everything i've already learnt.

    There's nothing sad about it!

    For me, there has to be times to sit back and simply enjoy what I already know or it all seems a bit pointless.

    Although, I do know and accept that people dance for different reasons and I met a couple recently, who've been doing ballroom lessons for over two years now and I asked them, "so where do you actually 'dance' then?" and they replied that they've never actually been dancing anywhere, apart from their weekly lessons.
    Well, if that floats there boat, then who am I to criticise, or call 'sad' for that matter?

    And BTW, just because I haven't done lessons at weekenders for some time now (apart from privates) doesn't mean I don't learn something everytime I go.......I ALWAYS come away from one having learnt something.

    Whether that's from picking stuff up by watching people I admire and trying to copy them, or from mirroring stuff my partner does or following something new or simply creating something myself, that often comes out of nowhere, when ones 'in the zone'!
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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    After 15 years of dancing MJ I think I have learnt everything I want to know - however, I often join classes as a lead to help the newbies. Sounds arrogant ??? If so I apologise, I really am happy with what I know - which is primarily to follow. However, I do attend some classes different dance styles
    I actually wasn't thinking specifically about modern jive. Merely on not wanting to learn any more (from any source).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I prefer to spend my time at weekenders, socialising and putting into practice everything i've already learnt.

    There's nothing sad about it!
    And BTW, just because I haven't done lessons at weekenders for some time now (apart from privates) doesn't mean I don't learn something everytime I go.......I ALWAYS come away from one having learnt something.
    If the thread is read properly I'm not sure why the wet haddock.


    I don't think any one would think of calling your situation in any way sad.

    Perhaps a little parasitical at gender balanced events, but not sad.

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Perhaps a little parasitical at gender balanced events.
    Only if you assume there aren't an equal number of men who have the same view of how to enjoy a weekender.
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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    I'm not sure why the wet haddock.
    I haven't necessarily got one true way of answering this!
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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Only if you assume there aren't an equal number of men who have the same view of how to enjoy a weekender.
    Though from what I've seen and heard, that's actually a fairly reasonable assumption.

    I've definitely seen a few posts about gender-balanced events along the lines of "men over in the classes" (more men want to do classes), and "women over in the freestyle" (more men want to do drinking ). It seemed that way at the last two (gender balanced) weekenders I went to as well.

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    Though from what I've seen and heard, that's actually a fairly reasonable assumption.

    I've definitely seen a few posts about gender-balanced events along the lines of "men over in the classes" (more men want to do classes), and "women over in the freestyle" (more men want to do drinking ). It seemed that way at the last two (gender balanced) weekenders I went to as well.
    Well, it works both ways.

    Those men who come and do all the classes, are worn out by the time we need them!

    How inconsiderate is THAT then!
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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Those men who come and do all the classes, are worn out by the time we need them!
    Well, if I'm worn out, it's because Katie ensures I'm up around 7am every morning, unlike the late night dancers who can have a lie in. Oh, except I stay up until the end of the dancing anyhow, even if by Sunday "Your ego's writing cheques your body can't cash" applies to me in spades.

    How inconsiderate is THAT then!
    To be clear (and serious for a moment), I wasn't agreeing with Frodo that you were being inconsiderate. I don't think anyone (male or female) has any obligations to make themselves available either during classes or the evening dancing

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    I don't think anyone (male or female) has any obligations to make themselves available either during classes or the evening dancing
    I agree wholeheartedly.
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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    To be clear (and serious for a moment), I wasn't agreeing with Frodo that you were being inconsiderate. I don't think anyone (male or female) has any obligations to make themselves available either during classes or the evening dancing
    Well, just to be clear, I wasn't saying that she (Lory) was being inconsiderate there.

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Well, just to be clear, I wasn't saying that she (Lory) was being inconsiderate there.
    Oh yes you were

    It is after all panto season so you are more than welcome to come back !

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    Re: Weekender Classes/Dancing ???

    Quote Originally Posted by marcusj View Post
    Oh yes you were

    It is after all panto season so you are more than welcome to come back !
    Well as I love spelling things out at great length .


    All other things being equal+ the weekender* model Lory has outlined probably isn't entirely self sustaining.


    I don't know if all other things are equal. Lory might have done millions of classes in the past, or sustained the system in other ways.
    So all I was saying (and all I could say) was that far from being sad, perhaps it wasn't entirely self sustaining.

    Granted I would have used the more diplomatic, if verbose, language I'm trying to use now if it wasn't for the context of recent posts with Lory.
    If Minnie M had posted that comment, I couldn't have even said 'perhaps' or 'a little' because I know enough about Minnie M to know that all other things are definitely not equal.


    However, this is far from saying Lory was being inconsiderate in her weekender* model because:-


    • A ) It doesn't follow that because an activity isn't self sustaining, those doing it are inconsiderate.


    Not directly relevant to the above point, but further to David Franklin's comment.
    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    ...I don't think anyone (male or female) has any obligations to make themselves available either during classes or the evening
    dancing
    I agree generally (with the exception of some of those employed/given concessions). Expecting those in the role of customer to focus on that rather than their own enjoyment would be excessive.


    • B ) Even if A) were wrong (which it isn't) I wasn't even saying it wasn't self sustaining, only that it might be.


    • C ) Just to point out it was Lory who used the term inconsiderate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Those men who come and do all the classes, are worn out by the time we need them!

    How inconsiderate is THAT then! ...
    Inappropriately of course given men have the stamina to do the classes and then outlast the ladies at freestyle .


    * Weekender as in a gender balanced dance focused weekender with non discriminatory pricing where classes are a major part.
    + As in ceteris paribus, rather than literally.

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