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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

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    I'm beginning to understand how Hercules must have felt when he battled the Hydra...

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

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    Yes, but that's because I am an able Master Debater, rather than because I'm a flakey woo-woo waffler...

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

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    Things may be changing, I will admit. The CPS now employs a larger number of barristers, whereas it used to rely almost wholly on instructing independent counsel. Some of those employed prosecutors have offices in police stations, in order to be able to give instant advice to the investigating team. This is still somewhat experimental, however.
    What do you think of the new "plans" to get rid of these monolithical police stations, and to instead have small local ones?

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    You're welcome. You do seem rather green and honest for a lawyer.

    (Yeah, you have to spell properly, sweetie. Otherwise I can’t do the joke.)

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    You managed.

    Where a barrister does in fact know of his client’s guilt, he is ethically prevented from advancing to the court any argument to the effect that the client is NOT guilty. He is restricted to testing the evidence of the witnesses and suggesting that they are mistaken. He can say “I put it to you that you cannot be certain that it was my client” or “...that you did not in fact see my client”. He cannot say “My client was not there, was he?” still less “My client is innocent, therefore it cannot have been him that you saw.”
    Is this why barristers prefer not to know?

    Also could the difference in terms used alert the judge to the guilt/innocence of the defendant? If so, can double bluffs work?
    Also, it is not often that defence counsel turns up and is briefed there and then – unless it is a bail application or similar. Prosecution counsel is frequently a total stranger to the case – this is because of the inefficiency of the CPS.
    It's common in London.
    For example, enormous numbers of Brits labour under the misapprehension that judges have gavels. Only auctioneers have gavels in this country; however, TV directors ignore this fact of life because they also labour under a misapprehension – which is that a court without a gavel is less dramatic than a court with a gavel.
    I never knew that!
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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

    I'm absolutely against the state killing people because it is too cruel.

    I'm coming from a specific angle. The amount of cruelty in a painless death sentence on the individual excuted can and should be limited (and that's why death row compunds my distaste of the American system of keeping people there for years).

    But there's a clear moral difficulty I have with society taking it on themsleves for killing someone elses loved one. Let's set aside the problem of doing that by mistake which we'd do quite a lot.

    For every executed person - there's an innocent mother, father, child or partner left behind to suffer for the rest of their lives. To justify the death penalty you MUST be able to justify inflicting the suffering on those people and indeed punishing them for a crime they did not commit.

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

    Quote Originally Posted by The Wanderer View Post
    For every executed person - there's an innocent mother, father, child or partner left behind to suffer for the rest of their lives. To justify the death penalty you MUST be able to justify inflicting the suffering on those people and indeed punishing them for a crime they did not commit.
    Very good point.

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    It's common in London.
    ...in certain types of cases.
    I never knew that!
    ...and that's my point!

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

    The Americans are leading the way

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...aesthetic.html

    Forgot to say, check out some of the comments posted by Dailymail Readers!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Bubble; 7th-December-2009 at 02:46 PM. Reason: Added second paragraph

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble View Post
    The Americans are leading the way

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...aesthetic.html

    Forgot to say, check out some of the comments posted by Dailymail Readers!!!!!!!!
    ah lovely. Its amusing really, injections were surely brought in as a way to execute in a less violent way, because the U.S. is of course a civilised country A bullet in the head, would be cheaper and more humane but only barbaric countries would do THAT

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    Re: The execution of Gary Glitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    ah lovely. Its amusing really, injections were surely brought in as a way to execute in a less violent way, because the U.S. is of course a civilised country A bullet in the head, would be cheaper and more humane but only barbaric countries would do THAT
    Well, lethal injection is cleaner (less/no blood) and the relatives can be given a relatively untouched body to bury. Of course that's not much help to the condemned man or woman who is murdered by the state.

    It seems the UK once considered executions by lethal injection but couldn't take it any further when it became apparent that the British Medical Association didn't want to mix the two activities of saving lives and taking lives.

    This website has a lot of interesting information. The witness account of someone killed by lethal injection is quite unpleasant to read. I'm so glad we don't do capital punishment in the UK.

    http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/

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