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    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    The truth is Apple have been caught with their pants well and truly down and when that happens to a HUGE company it's really funny (especially if you don't own one of their phones). If anyone deserves anything, Apple deserve to lose some points on their share prices - idiots.
    I'm not an Apple fan boy, but I don't think that the author of the worm was pointing at Apple as his target, just the fools who don't appreciate what they are dong when the meddle with things they don't understand. I looked into the consequences of Jailbreaking my iPhone and thought it wasn't worth the hassle. (If I didn't like O2 as a carrier I wouldn't have bought it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Perhaps forcing the user to set an alpha-numeric password rather than just setting it to ALPINE by default would have been a more secure out of the box solution. I think you must be right though Ducasi, I'm sure Apple thought "if they get a worm, they'll deserve it".
    OK just want to clear up a few technical understandings.

    Once you have unlocked an iphone, you can install other programs that you cannot normally do, such as non-approved apps etc. One commonly suggested program is openSSH, not made by Apple. The openSSH program allows you direct access to internal files on your iphone, with all the possibilities and security problems that could cause. By default Apple blocks SSH access on the iphone to stop anyone doinging exactly what this benign worm did. Any installation guide I have seen for openSSH warns explicitly that you should change your password to avoid others having full SSH access to your iphone.

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    The truth is Apple have been caught with their pants well and truly down and when that happens to a HUGE company it's really funny (especially if you don't own one of their phones). If anyone deserves anything, Apple deserve to lose some points on their share prices - idiots.
    So nothing as such to do with Apple, more with users who have less technical ability than they think. It is somewhat analogous to putting a new security lock on your door and leaving the key in the lock on the outside with a large sign saying "WELCOME"

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    They deserve it. They deserve to get infected by a worm? A little strong perhaps when you consider that this is a consumer device, in a sector used to having devices locked for purely selfish reasons by the networks.
    Other folks have responded to your message, but I should as well make clear that *unlocking* and *jail-breaking* are different things.

    O2 will unlock your iPhone if you are out of contract, allowing you to use any network's SIM. You can also buy yourself out of the contract, and they will unlock the phone.

    To unlock an iPhone without the permission of the network you have a contract with is almost definitely against the terms of that contract.

    Is it selfish of the networks to expect its customers to keep to the terms of the contract they signed when they got their phones? If the iPhone costs around £500, but you've received yours for as little as *free*, it means that the network is at that point £500 out of pocket. Is it selfish for them to want to earn that money back?

    As for jail-breaking... Well, various hacks exist to forcibly unlock the iPhone without the network's permission. Unfortunately they require the security system that Apple puts in place to stop worms and viruses to be broken. This is what jail-breaking is.

    A jail-broken iPhone allows its owner to install and run software to unlock their phone; software to violate the terms of use of the contract; and software which may damage the phone – by allowing viruses and worms complete access to the phone.

    Jail-breaking an iPhone is a bit like making your car go faster by removing all the safety systems in it. Great for performance, but you can't blame the manufacturer when you die a horrible death due to the lack of those safety systems when you wrap the car around a tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Other folks have responded to your message, but I should as well make clear that *unlocking* and *jail-breaking* are different things.
    Cool. So I see. I stand corrected. Thank you for the explanations folks.

    Perhaps the fact that it needs explaining in such detail highlights some of the pitfalls. We're all used to getting phones unlocked, and if someone said "cool app, where'd you get it?" and the reply was "you can't run it unless your phone has been jail-broken, but I have a mate who did mine and could do yours too". It seems to me (having heard similar conversations about other technologies) perfectly reasonable to think that there are people who have had their phones jail broken who are unaware of the further reaching consequences.

    Knowing Apple's paranoid distrust of their customers (which is quite ironic given the current legal case pending by Nokia concerning Apple's alleged theft of their technology that Apple have used in the iPhone), an example of which is Apple's Draconian policy with regard music from iTunes, which means you cannot use the files that you own on other systems without weird work-arounds. This sort of sets a strange precedent and people are used to having to work around Apple distrust.

    Let's face it the way Apple have crippled the iPhone's BlueTooth capabilities isn't really a great advert for cutting edge technology is it? People tend to assume these days that if you have a ring tone or a picture and you want to BlueTooth it to a friend, any modern phone will have that capability. Not with your brand new iPhone. Having that disappointment sprung on you on the first day of ownership, it's hardly surprising if people think that the device needs work-arounds installed to function as well as their mates.

    Now, you and I know that the iPhone isn't the be all and end all of mobile technology, but that is not the way the little gadget is marketed is it? Look at the deceptive way Apple marketed the original iPhone on the TV. With webpages wizzing about, suggesting that you could use it as a cool browser - shame the iPhone shown on the TV was running on a wi-fi connection (oh did they have teeeeeny little letters at the bottom of the screen to that effect - I cannot honestly recall). We all know how dire the original iPhone (2G) was as a browser using GSM for data transfer. So when the 3G version comes out and Apple say "hey it's usable now" more people are duped into buying Apple's self-crippled technology; I can see why they'd want to unlock it, jail-break it, whatever else it needs to make it function as well as you expected it to.

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    To unlock an iPhone without the permission of the network you have a contract with is almost definitely against the terms of that contract.
    OK Mum

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Is it selfish of the networks to expect its customers to keep to the terms of the contract they signed when they got their phones? If the iPhone costs around £500, but you've received yours for as little as *free*, it means that the network is at that point £500 out of pocket. Is it selfish for them to want to earn that money back?
    I guess you could see it that way... is it selfish for a person who buys a phone to want it to work in an emergency when they are away from home? If the network coverage is so poor that calls cannot be made, is it selfish to unlock the phone to use a pay-as-you-go SIM while in that location? Personally, I don't think it is. After all, it's a phone, and a shoddy network makes it not fit for purpose.

    Finally; I still think your 'Apple fan boy' attitude regarding worm infection of any type being 'deserved' sucks. But people seldom see eye-to-eye on everything

    Caveat: I do not own an iPhone - a situation I do not see changing as long as Apple remain as uptight, paranoid, distrustful and deceptive as they currently are.

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    It seems to me (having heard similar conversations about other technologies) perfectly reasonable to think that there are people who have had their phones jail broken who are unaware of the further reaching consequences.
    It's not hard to jailbreak a phone, but you do need some technical savvy, and any reading up on the process will hilight some of the pitfalls. Certainly the methods that I've looked into have all very clearly exaggerated the dangers. And anyone going the 'my mate....' route with an expensive piece of electronics is asking for trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    an example of which is Apple's Draconian policy with regard music from iTunes, which means you cannot use the files that you own on other systems without weird work-arounds. This sort of sets a strange precedent and people are used to having to work around Apple distrust.
    I'm not sure what you mean here. Most of the tracks I've downloaded via iTunes, I can easily use on any MP3 player or system that I like (the most I'd have to do is get iTunes to convert them to MP3 - a feature that's built in)
    The only ones where this does not apply are the DRM tracks - and it's worth noting that Apple did not want to go the DRM route, but that it was the only way they could secure deals with the record labels. Since the restrictions came off, most iTunes Store tracks have become available as non-DRM.

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Now, you and I know that the iPhone isn't the be all and end all of mobile technology, but that is not the way the little gadget is marketed is it?
    So they should have marketed it as 'quite good?' Of course they're going to market it as the be all and end all. That's what advertising is about! I agree that's not necessarily a good thing, but it's a problem with advertising in general, not just with Apple. I mean - MS aren't advertising Windows 7 as 'fixes many of the problems that we put into Windows Vista, and adds a couple of features', now are they?

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    I can see why they'd want to unlock it, jail-break it, whatever else it needs to make it function as well as you expected it to.
    Mine functions every bit as well as I expected it to. The only reason why I might consider jailbreaking it is to get tethering working without paying BT's appalling prices - not that I can't see why people might want to do it. But most iPhone users really don't see a need. Like any other phone, iPhone is far from perfect, but it's plenty good enough for what we want.


    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Finally; I still think your 'Apple fan boy' attitude regarding worm infection of any type being 'deserved' sucks. But people seldom see eye-to-eye on everything
    It's not simply an Apple Fan Boy attitude. I'd say it's a techie's attitude. If I'm going to go monkeying around under the hood of a piece of technology, I need to know what I'm doing, or I risk breaking it - and if I do break it, that's no-one's fault but mine.


    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Caveat: I do not own an iPhone - a situation I do not see changing as long as Apple remain as uptight, paranoid, distrustful and deceptive as they currently are.
    I'd say that Apple are far from the worst in this regard (and certainly no worse than most of their competition), so I tend to go by one simple criteria: they make phones and computers et al that I consider to be a joy to use. So long as they keep doing this, I'll keep using their products.

    On which note, it's time to go pick up my new Magic Mouse

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    To unlock an iPhone without the permission of the network you have a contract with is almost definitely against the terms of that contract.

    Is it selfish of the networks to expect its customers to keep to the terms of the contract they signed when they got their phones? If the iPhone costs around £500, but you've received yours for as little as *free*, it means that the network is at that point £500 out of pocket. Is it selfish for them to want to earn that money back?
    Actually unlocking a phone is not against the terms of most contracts, most networks don't give a stuff unless you're trying to end your contract early. In which case they'll ask you to pay out for the phone or return it.

    Networks do pay a heavy subsidy for phones and exclusives, so as much of a pain as it is it's understandable why they do it

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Knowing Apple's paranoid distrust of their customers (which is quite ironic given the current legal case pending by Nokia concerning Apple's alleged theft of their technology that Apple have used in the iPhone), an example of which is Apple's Draconian policy with regard music from iTunes.
    The blame lies squarely with the record companies on that one, they demanded protection for their precious music. All music on itunes is now free of DRM restrictions. The only exceptions I've come across are audiobooks from Audible and videos. Audible is an odd anomaly but seeing as they offer their own service, why not sell a crippled product on itunes and offer a better product on your own website and avoid having to pay Apple a cut of the profits?

    If you want to see some truly draconian music practices try Microsoft, where they have cut off any customers from the last few years who bought DRM stuff from them, all your tracks are now useless files that won't play. Also by default had windows media player encrypt any CDs you copied to your computer so that only you could listen to them and no sharing was allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    Let's face it the way Apple have crippled the iPhone's BlueTooth capabilities isn't really a great advert for cutting edge technology is it?
    It's annoying but hopefully will be gone one of these days and sadly no work around exists yet as the profiles you need are simply not there on the iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    We all know how dire the original iPhone (2G) was as a browser using GSM for data transfer. So when the 3G version comes out and Apple say "hey it's usable now" more people are duped into buying Apple's self-crippled technology; I can see why they'd want to unlock it, jail-break it, whatever else it needs to make it function as well as you expected it to.
    The 2G model was more to do with the American market, where GSM is a niche market compared to the other standard CDMA, and 3G is only getting off the ground. Simply, 3G was not supported well enough but EDGE, inbetween GPRS and 3G for speed of downloading, was more widely supported by AT&T. In fact they upgraded their network to full EDGE compatibility for the iPhone. The American market was the main one for Apple, so they released the 2G iPhone.

    Apple's official reason for not having 3G from the start was power drain of the 3G chips available at the time. Fair enough I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    It's not simply an Apple Fan Boy attitude. I'd say it's a techie's attitude. If I'm going to go monkeying around under the hood of a piece of technology, I need to know what I'm doing, or I risk breaking it - and if I do break it, that's no-one's fault but mine.
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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    my friend has all the applications under the sun in his app, but he doesn't pay for them so

    I think I'm going to do the same when I got my iphone 3gs

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Anyone know about using your own ringtones on an Iphone?

    I have an Iphone 3gs and would like to use the edited ringtones I used to use on my last phone. I have them stored on the computer as mp3 files.

    I am a bit concerned about Itunes and linking to the internet, I do not want info about what music I have going anywhere and I do not want messages to buy music etc.

    Can I used my own ringtones?
    Do I have to load itunes on the computer and on my phone to do this?

    Will big brother be watching me?

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    I got myself a KA08+ at the weekend.

    It's credit card size, has something very (a bit too) similar to Ipod on it, Full Java app ability, slide and pinch screen, GPS, blue tooth etc etc. Infact it is an Iphone clone from China (also call the syphone)

    It's pretty much everything an iPhone is except,

    It installs any Java App (loads of free sharware ones out there)
    It has a decent camera and can record Video
    You can watch TV on it
    It can take and handle 2 sim cards at a time
    Takes SD card as a mem upgrade
    Less Bulky (credit card Size)
    Has useable bluetooth
    Battery can be changed and replaced easily


    It's made a few people I know with Iphones jealous

    And heres the really impresive bit, they are selling them unlocked, new from just £35 !!!!!!!

    http://www.bigboxstore.com/new-ka08-...ell-phone.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I have an Iphone 3gs and would like to use the edited ringtones I used to use on my last phone. I have them stored on the computer as mp3 files.
    It's easy, if a little bit of a faff. First you need to convert the MP3 to AAC. You can do this in itunes by going to Preferences > General > Import Settings. Change the import option to AAC. Click OKs etc. Assuming the MP3 is in itunes, right click on it and select Convert to AAC
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    Find the converted file and change the file extention from .m4a to .m4r. Import this to itunes and it should now appear under a new section in itunes called Ringtones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I am a bit concerned about Itunes and linking to the internet, I do not want info about what music I have going anywhere and I do not want messages to buy music etc.

    Will big brother be watching me?
    Afraid you'll need itunes, unless you fancy jailbreaking your iphone and using SSH etc. Even more faff that the first method!

    Now Martin it's ok, you're amongst friends and can admit to owning the Rolf Harris albums. As far as I know itunes only sends info about the music genres on your computer to Apple if you uses the Genius feature to generate playlists based on your current music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmjd View Post
    It's easy, if a little bit of a faff. First you need to convert the MP3 to AAC. You can do this in itunes by going to Preferences > General > Import Settings. Change the import option to AAC. Click OKs etc. Assuming the MP3 is in itunes, right click on it and select Convert to AAC
    .

    Find the converted file and change the file extention from .m4a to .m4r. Import this to itunes and it should now appear under a new section in itunes called Ringtones.
    Thanks for that. It maybe that I went one step too far into geekyness, and needed a simple phone that will take mp3 files, copy and paste and use as ring tone.

    But I will try what you say.

    If it does not work, I think it may be time to buy another one that can deal with copy and paste of mp3 files.

    So you bring out this fab phone... then make it hard for the user to do simple things!!! Thanks Mac...


    Quote Originally Posted by pmjd View Post
    Afraid you'll need itunes, unless you fancy jailbreaking your iphone and using SSH etc. Even more faff that the first method!
    Ahhh, I am not even going to try that.. why is a phone so hard to use?


    Quote Originally Posted by pmjd View Post
    Now Martin it's ok, you're amongst friends and can admit to owning the Rolf Harris albums. As far as I know itunes only sends info about the music genres on your computer to Apple if you uses the Genius feature to generate playlists based on your current music.
    Two little boys had two little toys, each had a wooden horse,,, come on, join in, you know the words...


    What I liked about the Iphone is the message thing, where you get a screen of the history of messages and a keyboard to type on.

    Maybe I could switch to another one who has the same feature and will take my mp3's and can be ringtones with no faff?

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    I like the message feature (history of individuals messages on screen) and I like the world clock.

    I like the keyboard, and if you turn the phone around it comes landscape.

    I like that the loudspeaker option comes up straight away when phoning.

    I would like easy to import and export pictures (not just easy to export), and a better camera, with a flash.
    Compared to my last phone, the camera in the 3gs is *****.

    I would like easy to import mp3 files for ringtones.

    I do not need games.

    I might have the wrong phone. (3gs)

    I do not want flip or slide, as moving parts tend to go wrong.

    Any suggestions on what phone I should get?

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post

    Any suggestions on what phone I should get?
    See my link a few posts up ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    See my link a few posts up ;-)

    I like the size of the iphone, a credit card size does not help my fat fingers on the keyboard.


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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    Thanks for that. It maybe that I went one step too far into geekyness, and needed a simple phone that will take mp3 files, copy and paste and use as ring tone.
    There are a ton of programs out there that do it all for you but if you're only doing a few it doesn't seem worth it. I've used the same method to convert old .mp3 ringtones for my iphone 3GS.


    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    If it does not work, I think it may be time to buy another one that can deal with copy and paste of mp3 files.

    So you bring out this fab phone... then make it hard for the user to do simple things!!! Thanks Mac... ?
    Here's the ideal place to tell them your frustrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I like the size of the iphone, a credit card size does not help my fat fingers on the keyboard.

    Ithought that would be a problem too but the keyboard is alright on it and no worse than any other touch screen phone I have used. The handwritting recognition on it is the best I have ever seen on any phone too. I mainly use that.

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    Thanks guys

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    Starting with the Uncommon ones:

    - Words with Friends Free
    It's like scrabble but you can play over 3G with anyone else with the app. Dictionary isn't the best but it's better than nothing. (almond81 if anyone wants to challenge :P)

    - Boxed In 1 & 2
    Great puzzle game

    - Shazam Encore

    - Who has the Biggest Brain (like the facebook game)

    - Spot the Difference

    - Real Racing

    - Flight Contrl

    - Harbormaster

    - Field runners

    - Facebook

    - SimplyTweet with Push

    - Orange Wednesday (Not on orange tho lol) , good for film lookups. Altho I still tend to use a google bookmarked page on my homescreen for that.

    - Latitude - not really an App as such, a Web app with a link on my front page.

    - The Train Line - Free train time lookup app. Still can't believe the nationalrail one is £5.

    - Beejive IM - altho i don't use Instant messaging as much as I used to.

    - Electric box - Puzzle Game

    - Smart Dial - Probably the best app for me in terms of dialling someone. What a pain in the arse trying to dial someone any other way. Big numbers buttons and using predictive text style name lookups. Altho saying that I don't make that many calls.


    There are a whole bunch more but I don't really use them anymore.

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    Re: What do you have installed on your iPhone/iPod ?

    I recently picked up SketchBook (there is a free, slightly limited version called StetchBook Express) which is a little sketch program that I've found really good fun (though I'm still a terrible artist); enough that I bought the full version.

    I guess if I was to moan about one thing, it's that produces raster images, rather than vector images which seem to be more fitting for a line based drawing program.

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