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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CheesyRobMan View Post
    Surely a good lead is one that results in the follow moving as the lead intended, regardless of the means used to achieve this?
    The only problem with that is if you get a beginner with no sense of rhythm, or concept of dance who thinks that e.g. when the leader pulls, they should pull BACK just as hard. You could use sheer strength to make them move toward you, but is that then a "good lead" ?

    I think we have to admit that a good leader may not necessarily be understood by a particular follower (regardless of their own "good/bad" status), just as a good speaker may not necessarily be understood by a listener either on a concept, vocabulary or simple accent and pronunciation level.

    Shades of grey people, shades of grey.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Come on David, he may not have said it but as Gav points out what he actually said inferred something much worse.
    Quote Originally Posted by NickC View Post
    What did I infer?
    I thought the speaker implied and the listener inferred?

    I find it interesting that a debate NickC started about "women that can't dance" seems to be concentrating on beginners even though Nick did not specifically mention this group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    It's also my experience of many people on this Forum that the ones who complain about every one else and like to go into immense technical detail about 'how' to dance are generally pretty poor dancers themselves.
    Rare of you to pull your punches Rocky, why not name names?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    But please come up and introduce yourself and then we'll have a look see at how competent or incompetent you really are.
    Do you have to be skilled in something yourself before you are allowed to pass comment on others abilities in that area?

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    The only problem with that is if you get a beginner with no sense of rhythm, or concept of dance who thinks that e.g. when the leader pulls, they should pull BACK just as hard. You could use sheer strength to make them move toward you, but is that then a "good lead" ?
    No - but if you're dancing with a follower who does that, brute strength is far from the only option (even in the unlikely event that it actually works).
    When dancing with someone who's doing that, I usually need to give the best lead I possibly can, and to get inventive - and this can be when my leading skills really get put to the test.
    Last edited by straycat; 24th-June-2009 at 01:41 PM.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    Of the people who do the latter, of course, it could be that some of us actually do know what we're talking about
    Those that can dance do, those that can't, talk about it - look at Andy Mc's gazillion posts... 'nuff said?

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    look at Andy Mc's
    I like dancing with Andy M!

    Mind you, I'm sure you'd see that as being relative.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Those that can dance do, those that can't, talk about it - look at Andy Mc's gazillion posts... 'nuff said?
    well, as he is a competition winner, a teacher and someone i have actually seen dance. I'm pretty sure he can dance quite well is there perhaps some personal bias here ?

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    is there perhaps some personal bias here ?

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    I thought the speaker implied and the listener inferred?

    I find it interesting that a debate NickC started about "women that can't dance" seems to be concentrating on beginners even though Nick did not specifically mention this group.


    It's not that I specifically didn't mention this group, I never mentioned this group, dancing with a beginner is often a huge plesure, I keep it very simple and its a great seeing the joy in thier eye as they dance.
    Last edited by DavidY; 24th-June-2009 at 07:33 PM. Reason: Fixing quote

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    I think we have to admit that a good leader may not necessarily be understood by a particular follower (regardless of their own "good/bad" status), just as a good speaker may not necessarily be understood by a listener either on a concept, vocabulary or simple accent and pronunciation level.
    True enough - but then I've never experienced *that* bad a follow. Usually after listening to the class they've at least worked out how to move in the right directions at the right times, even if the concept of leading and following hasn't sunk in yet.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Those that can dance do, those that can't, talk about it - look at Andy Mc's gazillion posts... 'nuff said?
    I've never seem him dance, so no. "'Nuff" not said - I myself have no basis for comparison there. And even if he were - as I assume you're suggesting - a bad dancer, one example hardly proves the rule now does it?
    Last edited by straycat; 24th-June-2009 at 03:37 PM.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    e.g. when the leader pulls, they should pull BACK just as hard. You could use sheer strength to make them move toward you, but is that then a "good lead" ?
    This is my friend dazy. You can see i have taught her to push when I pull

    Othewise its a fork lift truck job


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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    I hardly ever change my lead as I dance with different people. I use the same range of connection for beginners, intermediates, advanced, teachers, competitors, taxi dancers, numpties, muggles and even franchisees. I might change what I lead - especially multiple spins and opportunities for improvisation - depending on feedback I get during a dance.

    I enjoy the vast majority of dances I have. I can only think of 3 dances in the last 12 months that I didn't enjoy at all. (Strangely enough all at the same venue, but different people on different nights.)

    I know that some people don't enjoy dancing with me, but I don't worry about it. I'm reasonably happy with what I do, and I get to dance as much as I want to with people who don't mind me.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    well, as he is a competition winner,
    Fancy dress and self promotion competitions don't count...

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Its not morally wrong no.



    Lets face it, there are some awful dancers out there who yank ya arms, dont lead properly, yank ya back, inappropriately move in on ya who are, at the end of the day, numpties.

    whats wrong with that?

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Fancy dress and self promotion competitions don't count...
    Why not? Some have managed to create quite a successful business on less.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy Monkey View Post
    .... enjoy dancing with beginners.....especially if they're REALLY hot!!
    You should be all right this week then, as long as the weather holds and you avoid anywhere with decent air conditioning.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cruella View Post
    Why not? Some have managed to create quite a successful business on less.
    Let's not bring Jive Addiction up again...

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
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    I think we have to admit that a good leader may not necessarily be understood by a particular follower (regardless of their own "good/bad" status), just as a good speaker may not necessarily be understood by a listener either on a concept, vocabulary or simple accent and pronunciation level.
    ...
    I do like the conversation analogy. Especially when considered against the follow 'definition'

    My communication is defined by the response I get.

    This clearly puts an emphasis on feedback. And I certainly find that I change how and what I lead with everyone that I dance with, as near as dammit. Generally it works well (for me .... and I hope my partner), and sometimes it really doesn't work well at all (for me .... but curiously sometimes does work for partner!!! .... which I find confusing! .... or maybe it's my higher expectation.)

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by NickC View Post
    ... dancing with a beginner is often a huge pleasure, I keep it very simple and its a great seeing the joy in their eye as they dance.
    an experience I love too.

    When my dancing improved a bit I used travel a long way and spend a lot of time and money on public transport to dance at a freestyle with, allegedly, a better class of dancer. When I got their I found myself dancing with ladies that had never had a lesson, just looking for "totty", as one described it. Much as I like dancing with beginners I did not want go through all of that effort to do it.

    As far as I can tell NickC has had the same sort of experience, expecting to find just better dancers at a weekender. Maybe he did not express it very expertly, but we are all novices at something.

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    Re: Is it morally wrong saying you dont like dancing with numties ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Fancy dress and self promotion competitions don't count...
    don't know which ones you mean, but presumably being placed in a competition is enough to suggest you might be able to dance a bit, and he came 3rd dancing with Ben many years ago at Chance to Dance, and more recently (2005?) got placed at Britroc with Lisa Saw (before he had any involvement with Britroc(K) afaik).

    I won a towel that year - best prize ever I have no idea where it is now, which is worrying, but i do have other towels.

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