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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    to what Lory and Stokie said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    This is so true. Being in the right frame of mind and having the right people there, makes all the difference.
    ...and just to make it more complex, everyone's tastes in dancing are different, so one person's "right people" could be someone else's "wrong people".
    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I think i'll feel happier, once each weekender starts to establish its own personality, (Breeze is a 'no brainer' I LOVE this weekend) then it should make the decision making much easier.
    Yes - I think it's a tricky balance though. I'd hate to see every weekend get so distinctive that you always got exactly the same people there every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Gus, that comment was aimed squarely at the management of music.
    Ahh .. apologies for taking it of context, no excuse really, I was in a rush etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    The music played at a weekender makes or breaks it.
    ... for some, maybe the majority ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    For the last 2 SP's run by JA there were numerous complaints about this and yet they have not resolved it.
    Wasn't aware that there were significant amounts of complaints about the last Southport True, there was some disappointment at Eclipse ... but there were also some stars. Into ODA mode () with all due respect at Cerocport as a fair few of the main room sets sucked beyond belief. It was like back to the days of Hitman and Her. I think the thing that really worked, and I don't know if it was deliberate, was the wider range of music played in the 'room-formerly-known-as-the-Blues-Room' ... where I thought was this time a its weakest when Blues music was being played ... personal view entirely

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    For Blush all the DJ's were given their slots well in advance and were also briefed well in advance of what was expected of them.
    ...and we are back to the age old Forum debate (not held for several yaers) as to should you ever direct a lead DJ wjhat to play .... if you do, why don't you just DJ yourself? Would you tell John Brett what to play? Would you REALLY tell Marc what to play? If there is a room theme, fine ... but the top DJs should then decide how to meet that vibe.[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    From the DJ's I know who played at SN this was not done and it's therefore no surprise to note that some prominent names will no longer be DJing for JA.
    If a DJ fails to please the crowd, with direction for no, then they shouldn't be asked back .. agreed. So I take it that a fair few of the Cerocport DJs will no longer be gracing the stage?

    Final point. I think that Ceroc and JA events do target slightly different markets. Ceroc still looks to support it Beginners, JA is obviously more targeted towards the top end of the market. Thats not to say one is better than the other, just different. There was a noticeable lack of 'real star' dancers at Cerocport compared to JA (where the heck did all the teachers disappear to??) but the music was possibly tuned to suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Wasn't aware that there were significant amounts of complaints about the last Southport True, there was some disappointment at Eclipse ... but there were also some stars. Into ODA mode () with all due respect at Cerocport as a fair few of the main room sets sucked beyond belief. It was like back to the days of Hitman and Her. I think the thing that really worked, and I don't know if it was deliberate, was the wider range of music played in the 'room-formerly-known-as-the-Blues-Room' ... where I thought was this time a its weakest when Blues music was being played ... personal view entirely

    If a DJ fails to please the crowd, with direction for no, then they shouldn't be asked back .. agreed. So I take it that a fair few of the Cerocport DJs will no longer be gracing the stage?

    Final point. I think that Ceroc and JA events do target slightly different markets. Ceroc still looks to support it Beginners, JA is obviously more targeted towards the top end of the market. Thats not to say one is better than the other, just different. There was a noticeable lack of 'real star' dancers at Cerocport compared to JA (where the heck did all the teachers disappear to??) but the music was possibly tuned to suit.
    In answer to your quotes about music at Southport, it seems that the majority of people enjoyed the music. I personally thought it was spot on.

    As to the issue of real dance stars at Southport, there was a good spread of dancers there, someone earlier mentioned that the whingers who are anti Ceroc was not there, how refreshing no moaning, gossiping and sitting in the corner with a face like a smacked ar*e.

    As for Skeggy the music and the dance floors were dreadful, just dreadful.

    You can have the best dancers on the planet but if the music and the floors are crap it doesn't matter. You need something to dance to and something to dance on and someone, without a negative attitude to dance with. Seems like basic common sense to me.

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    It seems to me that there has only been a small number of people who did not enjoy Southport. For me I think Ceroc nailed it and was bang on with the weekend.

    The music was superb, the floors were superb and there was enough good dancers to go around. If a small number of anti Ceroc whingers did not like it, or did not attend, and still moan, then go to Skeggy and be happy moaning like they constantly do. Whatever happened to turning up, being nice and dancing with everyone?

    It was nice not to have a corner full of moaning parasites.

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post




    Some things that matter are people, classes, freestyle and music. On all these counts Blush came up short. You don't need all of these all the time to have a great weekender, but in combination that makes a considerable gulf.


    The classes were of a lower standard, there was less freestyle options, and the music wasn't as good, and there were both less people and proportionally less people who care about the things I care about when dancing.

    The freestyle and music were particularly restricted as there were less rooms, and poorer use was made of them.


    The main room DJs seemed to be having a lot of fun.






    Personally I'd be extremely happy if Ceroc would hold a weekender at the venue of a similar standard to that held previously at Southport.



    The only improvement for next time (Scorch) that seems to be being offered is it being summer/outdoor dancing/barbecue.
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    Its obvious we had a very different CeroPort, you say the freestyle music came up short, I understand we all have our own view but if you were more specific ie which DJ's and which music you liked or didn't like then they might be able to consider your suggestions, but such a generalisation can't help them much?

    You say you would like the standard of CerocPort to be more like JA southport? I have been to all of them except the first one, I can't see what was missing between JA and CerocPort, don't keep us guessing, its like hunt the clue?? what was missing.

    The BBQ food al- fresco- was one sugestion, and a good one IMO

    What else would YOU like to see i'v already said I wan't Alaexana O'neil, I won't get him but we can dream, whats on your whish list, you neaver know


    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post

    This is also true, the trouble with me is, I don't know which ones I'll enjoy the most and want to do them all!

    ain't that the truth, dancing 24 hrs a day or a free style that finishes at 12-1am?? no brainer

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    everyone's tastes in dancing are different, so one person's "right people" could be someone else's "wrong people".
    David this is soooo true, when I first started traveling us girls would talk in the car on the journey, and our opinions were so different, the time one of us would say I danced with that bloke you think is fab and I think he's

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post

    with all due respect at Cerocport as a fair few of the main room sets sucked beyond belief. It was like back to the days of Hitman and Her.
    ...and we are back to the age old Forum debate (not held for several yaers) as to should you ever direct a lead DJ wjhat to play .... if you do, why don't you just DJ yourself? Would you tell John Brett what to play? Would you REALLY tell Marc what to play? If there is a room theme, fine ... but the top DJs should then decide how to meet that vibe.
    Gus please be more specific, and Hitman and Her ? was that before my time the debate must have been perhaps its time for another.

    and John Brett flip me I must have missed him I got stuck with John Backer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    If a DJ fails to please the crowd, with direction for no, then they shouldn't be asked back .. agreed. So I take it that a fair few of the Cerocport DJs will no longer be gracing the stage?

    Final point. I think that Ceroc and JA events do target slightly different markets. Ceroc still looks to support it Beginners, JA is obviously more targeted towards the top end of the market. Thats not to say one is better than the other, just different. There was a noticeable lack of 'real star' dancers at Cerocport compared to JA (where the heck did all the teachers disappear to??) but the music was possibly tuned to suit.

    So which DJ's won't be gracing the stage ?

    And I for one was glad some of the 'real stars' wern't there, what a nice friendly atmosphere, you could go to the bar in the blues room in your 'black and white' shoes without a second thought.

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    I had an amazing week-end at Southport. It really felt like BLAZE, but larger and with better rooms... The week-end started with a Pre-Party-Party with Val & Dave, Brent & Kellese and other crazy people on the Thursday night and continued until I had to give in to sleep on the Monday morning!

    Everything was perfect. All the rooms had been fitted and decorated to look magical, the Latin Room even smelt nice, and the sound was amazing which really contributed to my enjoyment of all the music played over the week-end and the fun I could have following musical nuances as I danced with some of the most awesome followers! I loved every dance and once again was surprised at how much I raise my game when in a good week-ender environment. I wish I could mention everyone, but those of you who danced with me will know how much I enjoyed our dances...

    I really enjoyed teaching my classes, though knowing the video was piped live into the chalets was a little disconcerting at times! Still a great idea though and I know I enjoyed watching a few teachers with my feet up when resting!

    I can't say I notice any drop in the quality of dancers at Southport, in fact, whilst I met a few beginners and danced with them in all the rooms, I felt inspired by incredible leads & spoilt by fabulous followers!
    I really loved the idea of using the Latin Room for more specialist sets and enjoyed the WCS and Milonga music available. It was like having an overflow Blues Room and it really worked.

    Everyone was really up for a good week-end and the mood was euphoric. I met more Forumites and I'm sorry I missed some of you. We definitely must have a Forum Meet for the next one.

    I must add my voice to the chorus praising Kellese and Brent, they were incredible teachers, dancers and really up for partying and social dancing all night, every night!

    Waffle party was so funny and relaxed though I would normally have picked a better time for it so more people could have joined in. I am hoping to have the waffle party outdoor during the Giant Space Hopper Barbecue Party at Scorch in May!

    Thanks for the feedback re. my ooh-ing and aah-ing over the Cabarets, I didn't realise it would intrude so much, so will refrain in future. I was really excited though, and loved watching all performances.

    Overall, my best Southport ever, and one I won't forget in a hurry and I can't wait for Scorch in May now!

    Franck.

    P.S. Re. the DJ timetable inclusion in the week-end booklet, BLAZE was the first time we did it in May 2007, where not only did we list who was DJ-ing where and when, but we also specified the style of music they should play.
    Franck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    It seems to me that there has only been a small number of people who did not enjoy Southport. For me I think Ceroc nailed it and was bang on with the weekend.

    The music was superb, the floors were superb and there was enough good dancers to go around. If a small number of anti Ceroc whingers did not like it, or did not attend, and still moan, then go to Skeggy and be happy moaning like they constantly do. Whatever happened to turning up, being nice and dancing with everyone?

    It was nice not to have a corner full of moaning parasites.

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    well said DTS

    some people will just moan, no proper sugestions, if you don't like it tell 'the man' or don't go.

    I told him I was froze Sunday evening and guess what he turned the fan off, its no rocket science, if they don't know what you want how the heck can they put it right?

    We asked John and Wes if we could have a large BBQ for the forum party, guess what??? we got one.

    My advice let it go....breath in and out, in and out, there much better....shall we have a dance, its only 3-4 mins, and its supposed to be fun remember. you get that moaner DTS i'll get the other one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    There was a noticeable lack of 'real star' dancers at Cerocport compared to JA
    Can you define what you mean by "real stars" please?

    If you mean in terms of the regular dance punters, yes it was a different mix, but some of my best dances were at this weekend so I can't say I agree there.

    If you mean the dance teachers, we had two WCS teachers at the Ceroc weekender who were dancing with the punters and enjoying themselves till 5 in the morning (to me, that made them completely outshine one of the Westie pros from a JA weekend - Benji? - who apparently just moaned about the accomodation and was never seen again after the showcases)

    Weekenders are what you make of them - if you go into it trying to find fault, then you'll find it. I on the otherhand went into it, trying to have a fantastic time... and did! I think a few others who have commented on the thread will probably agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    The music was superb,
    the floors were superb
    floors were too fast, some people fell over on Friday, but they were perfect by Saturday night.
    and there was enough good dancers to go around.
    Wow that was some dance we had DTS, our best ever.
    It was nice not to have a corner full of moaning parasites.
    I didn't see any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franck View Post
    P.S. Re. the DJ timetable inclusion in the week-end booklet, BLAZE was the first time we did it in May 2007, where not only did we list who was DJ-ing where and when, but we also specified the style of music they should play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    It's a shame you didn't enjoy yourself frodo, although from your post it sounds like you don't really rate any of the Ceroc weekenders too highly. The great thing is, there is now so much choice for weekenders you really don't need to bother yourself with events that you don't enjoy anymore
    I don't mean to give the impression I didn't enjoy it

    I did enjoy myself. (In fact only once have I found a Ceroc weekender not worth while, and Ceroc have always put in a bit more effort in since then).

    It just didn't come anywhere close to previous experiences at the venue.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I don't know which ones I'll enjoy the most...

    I think i'll feel happier, once each weekender starts to establish its own personality, (... is a 'no brainer' ...)
    However it isn't a given that they will. While I hope note the Ceroc ones could well become even more like each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    Its obvious we had a very different CerocPort, you say the freestyle music came up short, I understand we all have our own view but if you were more specific ie which DJ's and which music you liked or didn't like then they might be able to consider your suggestions, but such a generalisation can't help them much?

    You say you would like the standard of CerocPort to be more like JA southport? I have been to all of them except the first one, I can't see what was missing between JA and CerocPort, don't keep us guessing, its like hunt the clue?? what was missing. ...

    What else would YOU like to see
    You may regret asking . In a way I'd say the actual tracks played was less of an issue than the quality. Only in latin room was the sound quality OK.

    Some more specific details follow:-


    Baseline Comparison

    As it can be easier/quicker make specific comparisons I've taken Southport February 2008 being the closest one as far as time of year goes.

    The comparison will vary on specific points depending on Southport event, but the overall balance is similar.

    Obviously if would have been more direct if Ceroc had kept the February date.


    The aftermath thread for the February 2008 weekend can be found at http://www.cerocscotland.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=15378


    Music and Freestyle

    • Freestyle Rooms:

    Southport Feb 2008) 4 rooms (Jive Addiction always managed 4 rooms at Southport)
    Blush 2009) 3 rooms

    • Music Blues and WCS rooms:

    Southport Feb 2008) Dedicated WCS room sometime after midnight. Too much WCS in the blues room when dedicated WCS room. Not enough 'blues'.
    Blush 2009) Dedicated WCS room sometime after midnight. Too much swing (non west coast) in the blues room when dedicated WCS room. Not enough 'blues', particularly where the main room volume didn't interfere.
    'blues' being as I define it, which may not equate to other definitions.

    • Latin Music:

    Southport Feb 2008) Dedicated latin room. Universally great DJs. No confusion between Tango and latin.
    Blush 2009) Little at usable times. DJs mostly not so good.

    • Milonga:

    Southport Feb 2008) Longer milonga. Well attended.
    Blush 2009) Short Milonga. Not well attended. Big hole in the middle of the floor - isn't good for progressive dances.

    • Dedicated WCS Slots:

    Southport Feb 2008) WCS danced in WCS room so lack of slot conflict/easy to extend slot. Good and bad DJs, but specialist WCS.
    Blush 2009) Mostly Modern Jive in WCS room so harder to dance slotted/extend slot. Good and bad DJs. DJs not specialist WCS.

    • DJs:

    Southport Feb 2008) Virtually all dedicated DJs. Just under 2/3 I like. More diverse as from different organisations.
    Blush 2009) A large proportion of the 'DJs' are not dedicated. Just over 1/3 I like. The only external DJ appears to be Nigel Anderson.

    • Main room music:

    Southport Feb 2008) High quality. Volume fine. Good and varied music. Hard to leave.
    Blush 2009) Bad quality. Volume excessive and badly balanced, and greatly interfered with the blues room. Issues with excessive amounts of swing (non west coast). Hard to stay.

    (check the Blush DVD freestyle to have a taste of main room music quality - I reckon quite accurately captured).


    Classes

    • Classes:

    Southport Feb 2008) 2 rooms all day totalling 38 (including 4 off the blocks' beginners classes which are missing from the DVD) sometimes with music for 15 mins after the class. Diverse.
    Blush 2009) 3 rooms all day totalling 41 (including 4 WCS missing from the DVD for contractual reasons), almost always with 30 mins relevant music after the class.
    Cringeworthy 'on message' patter, from the less confident teachers, or those on automatic who don't think to tone it down in deference to the more experienced weekender dancers.

    • Classes in non Modern Jive Styles

    Southport Feb 2008) Around 15
    Blush 2009) Around 9

    • Teachers:

    Southport Feb 2008) Almost all experienced and high quality and diverse.
    Blush 2009) Far far better than Ceroc have seen any need for in England since the early Storm weekends, but still some distance from JA Southport.

    • Teachers of Note:

    Southport Feb 2008)Benji and Heidi, Victor Andeke, Simon Selmon, David & Kim, Nigel and Nina, Graham LeClerc, Lee Hunter, Graham Fox and Melanie, Ian and Mandy, Keith Davies.
    Blush 2009) Brent and Kellese, Franck and Sheena, Nigel and Nina, Paul Harris, Val and David, Marc and Rachel.
    Kellese was OK, and she spent a decent amount of time on the DVD, but I didn't think there was a whole lot to take from her classes.

    Brent didn't appear to stint on dances, but it is a relative minority who will benefit from dances with the star teachers. From my POV the teaching is where the big difference is made.

    While I've got a lot of respect for the teaching of the last 2 couples, I do think they have to carry Ceroc weekenders (I'm not sure if Marc and Rachel have ever had a break). With Southport you get more variation in teachers and hence what is taught.

    It seems to have been a long time since Franck taught in England, which was a nice change.


    • Class Descripions:

    Southport Feb 2008) A paragraph.
    Blush 2009) Maximum 5-6 words.

    • Tango Classes:

    Southport Feb 2008) 3 very high quality Tango classes. I cannot remember the last time Jive Addiction failed to have 3 Tango classes.
    Blush 2009) No Tango classes.


    Misc / Multi Category

    • Freestyle between classes:

    Southport Feb 2008) Music in the style of classes for half an hour
    Blush 2009) Under 15 minutes of music if you were generally lucky. No music commonly. This is a major issue for me.

    • People and Space:

    Southport Feb 2008) Sold out in Jan/Feb and well balanced, so more people dancing, but 4 rooms and space much better in the latin room as it didn't have a big hole in the middle of the floor.
    Blush 2009) Fewer people dancing and so plenty of space, particularly in the blues room.

    • Cabaret:

    Southport Feb 2008) Very high quality esp 2*WCS (but WCS not on the DVD).
    Blush 2009) High quality incl 1*WCS (WCS on the DVD).

    • DVD:

    Southport Feb 2008) Available some time after. £ 16.50. Better quality. Freestyle from 3 of 4 rooms. WCS not on DVD.
    Blush 2009) Available on Sunday £20.00 (£25.00) after. Worse quality. Freestyle only of main room. Begs classes no on DVD.

    • Dancers:

    Southport Feb 2008) Many enjoyable dances and dances I learnt from. In particular plenty to inspire when watching other dancers (who I wouldn't necessarily ever dance with)
    Blush 2009) Fewer people, and fewer as a proportion of those there worked for me. Not a lot to inspire when watching other dancers.


    Minor
    • Price Paid: (on average the difference would be much smaller)

    Southport Feb 2008) 89.00 (included pre-heating and/or multiple electricity cards)
    Blush 2009) 119.00 (took ages to get the chalet warmed up)

    • Class and DJ Schedule:

    Southport Feb 2008) Conveniently Posted near entrances to Latin and Main room.
    Blush 2009) Not posted on doors.

    • Chalet TV:

    Southport Feb 2008) No closed circuit TV.
    Blush 2009) Main room lessons/freestyle piped to chalets.

    • Gender Balance:

    Southport Feb 2008) Knife edge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    Getting the balance right

    Blush 2009) Not so good.

    • WristBands:

    Southport Feb 2008) None.
    Blush 2009) Wristbands. Lots of unnecessary checking at entrances. At least they paper type and the edges didn't present a risk of injury like the plastic ones

    • Theme:

    Southport Feb 2008) Rome.
    Blush 2009) No Theme (quite happy about that one).

    • Tickets

    Southport Feb 2008) Have to worry about a ticket
    Blush 2009) Don't have to worry about a ticket.

    • Latin Room Smell

    Southport Feb 2008) Wasn't an issue I particularly noticed
    Blush 2009) But agree it smelt good

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    stuff


    This must have taken ages, but thank you, at least the organisers weather its JA or Ceroc have somthing firm to look at.

    many thanks

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Huge comparative review which must have taken ages to compile
    Thanks for taking the time to write your review.

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    Gus please be more specific, and Hitman and Her ? was that before my time the debate must have been perhaps its time for another.
    Hitman and Her was a 90's show covering a lot of trachy club music ... seem to remember hearing a lot similar t that late on Sat night in the main room

    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    and John Brett flip me I must have missed him I got stuck with John Backer
    ahem .. John Brett was probably the first MJ DJ Superstar and is STILL highly regarded by many. London based.

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Gus you are a commercial operator therefore youu would seem to have a more indepth knowledge of music than the average punter, ie me. As an average punter I enjoyed all of the weekend, as did everybody else I talked to during the weekend. In all honestly Ceroc could not have put on a better weekend IMHO.

    I go to John Brett's freestyles regularly and he is an excellent dj, however not every single track is marvellous, you just cannot please everybody all of the time. The simple solution is to go to a weekender and try to rnjoy yourself, you only get out of it what you put into it.

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    Excellent and detailed post.

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    • Freestyle between classes:

    Southport Feb 2008) Music in the style of classes for half an hour
    Blush 2009) Under 15 minutes of music if you were generally lucky. No music commonly. This is a major issue for me.
    I noticed that too, when I was walking through the main room between classes - it certainly felt very odd that there was no music playing.

    Ideally you'd have some music appropriate to the class that just finished, and then move the music towards the class that's just about to start (especially if it's something like WCS where people can usefully practise something they've learnt earlier in the weekend before the class starts). This can't be hard to get right, either.
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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    I'd hate to see every weekend get so distinctive that you always got exactly the same people there every time.
    I see what you mean and agree to some extent.
    I think this is what's happened to the WCS events at them moment, as the scene is much smaller, you tend to see all the same people, wherever you go.
    I'm not saying I don't like anyone/everyone, its just I get easily bored

    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    However it isn't a given that they will. While I hope not, the Ceroc ones could well become even more like each other.
    Its a very difficult call, as one would hope that all the most popular and successful elements will be carried through at all of them.
    But things like the general themes will add the flavour. For exmple, the Blues theme at Breeze, the WCS theme at Southport, the UTOPIA theme at Lux and the Glamour theme at Las Vegas.
    Hmm, I'm not entirely sure if Storm has a theme if it has, I haven't noticed maybe 'no theme', 'is' the theme?
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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    It is true that you see a lot of the same faces at many of the events that inolve WCS. There are more new faces all the time that seem to catch the WCS bug and are going to many of these events.

    On the plus side these people are growing together as many sections of the community in America have. MJ is the same. Looking over time people come and go over the years. Looking back a couple of years there are more new faces come through because of the amount of workshops and weekly classes that have sprouted up. I remember the same thing happening when there was less choice and less choice for weekend events. Now that the market for these such things is bigger than it ever has been the dynamic of the market is slowly changing. It is natural human nature that people used to find out where there friends go to make their own choice of venue.

    Hopefully dance in general will be the winner from the seeds of growth that have been planted a while ago. Getting back to WCS the UK Championships continue to grow each year and hopefully this year will be the biggest one yet. Some of the events does give us the opportunity to meet with some dancers in the UK we don't normally get the chance to see at our local freestyles.

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    Re: Blush The Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    For me Blush was a sensational event and as always that has more to do with the people attending than the venue and all the other stuff people seem to think are important.
    This is your achilles heel Dave when it comes to these kinds of discussions. It's clear given your role within Ceroc (and within your marriage ) which position you are going to take but dismissing other peoples opinion in the way that you do by using the phrase 'seem to think' shows that you really aren't very interested in views that don't happen to coincide with your own. What I (or whoever) think is important genuinely is important. To me. As an organiser of course you cannot keep everyone happy and you have to decide which of your customers it is that you wish to keep happy but don't do so on the basis that their concerns or conclusions are invalid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Lets face it, we're more important than the teachers anyway...
    Yes, indeed, you button pushers are vital

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    There was a noticeable lack of 'real star' dancers at Cerocport compared to JA (where the heck did all the teachers disappear to??) but the music was possibly tuned to suit.
    Was there? If you discount the teachers from both events then I am struggling to think of anyone who was a regular at the JA Southports that I would consider a 'star' dancer.

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