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    Re: Bad Taxis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    You are looking at it through the eyes of a dancer not through the commercial interests of a majority of club organisors......
    you surprise me Lee - "commercial interests of a majority of club organisors " Is this true

    I would have thought teaching your punter how to dance, in the best possible way surrounded by happy friendly and helpful crew, is the best way to secure a regular flow of people in your front door. I don't go with this 'we are only doing it for the money' method - it rarely works, people aren't that stupid, or am I stupid to believe that it is only our money organisers are interested in


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    Re: Bad Taxis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    You are looking at it through the eyes of a dancer not through the commercial interests of a majority of club organisors.
    Hopefully those 2 things would be compatible - or you're doing it wrong .

    But then again, I don't have 100 + a night turning up
    hmmm, maybe theres a reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    you surprise me Lee - ... am I stupid to believe that it is only our money organisers are interested in
    Maybe that's not what Lee meant, even if it sounded like it

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    Re: Bad Taxis ?

    Taxi's are very underated IMHO.

    In the 1st couple of weeks, blokes espescially do not have a clue and are feeling a bit foolish and vunerable. It is the friendliness of the Taxi's who reassure them, make them laugh and tell them to hang on in there, as it will come and they will get it in a couple of weeks.

    All political correctness aside, blokes come to dancing for a couple of reasons.

    1 Made to, by their wives, partners etc.

    2 To meet women.

    Once they get it, things change and the dancing takes over.

    Taxi dancers are the friendly contacts without the mantle of a teacher, approachable and willing to advice and dance as needed. This is not to say teachers are unapproachable but in your 1st couple of weeks they may seem to be.

    Please feel free to disagree, this is only my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    ......... blokes come to dancing for a couple of reasons.

    1 Made to, by their wives, partners etc.

    2 To meet women.
    What about - learning to dance

    The chap I based this thread on started going dancing as an a form of getting fit and learning the skill of dancing. His partner goes to Tap Dancing classes

    Is it so strange for someone to go to dance classes to learn to dance


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    I think I've mentioned it before on a different thread: for me there were 4 taxis who were crucial to me: Andi, Jackie, Natalie and Becca (Witty Bird). They were all patient beyond belief, encouraging and friendly.

    If I look back - those first 8 weeks were so crucial - and I might have been given up had it not been for those extras with the taxis.

    I say a big, huge thank you to all of them.

    Yes - as someone (DTS?) said - they are perhaps underrated in their importance.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    you surprise me Lee - "commercial interests of a majority of club organisors " Is this true

    I would have thought teaching your punter how to dance, in the best possible way surrounded by happy friendly and helpful crew, is the best way to secure a regular flow of people in your front door. I don't go with this 'we are only doing it for the money' method - it rarely works, people aren't that stupid, or am I stupid to believe that it is only our money organisers are interested in
    Ae Ceroc about just teaching you to dance or about getting as many people through the door as possible? Feel a poll comming on

    There are plenty of us small clubs that do it out of love though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Hopefully those 2 things would be compatible - or you're doing it wrong .
    You would think. I spoke to one organisor once that said he only catered for beginner dancers < 6 months as the better ones all disappeared anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    hmmm, maybe theres a reason
    Are you saying that because I teach beginners technique, I have low numbers? You were saying it important to tech teachnique earlier.

    Yeah it's a new venture in a competative area of the UK (and the hall is maxed out at 80)



    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Maybe that's not what Lee meant, even if it sounded like it

    What I am saying is that most places want to ensure that beginner are retained. I believe ceroc even publish yearly figures amounst the venue in a performance table of retaining begginer dancers .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    Ae Ceroc about just teaching you to dance or about getting as many people through the door as possible? Feel a poll comming on ...
    If they do not come back you cannot teach them anything.

    ... I spoke to one organisor once that said he only catered for beginner dancers < 6 months as the better ones all disappeared anyway. ...
    If you are teaching something you do not normally expect the students to keep coming once they have learned it. Most outsiders cannot grasp an environment in which some championship winners of more than a decades experience still sometimes turn up and join in beginners class.

    ... I believe ceroc even publish yearly figures amounst the venue in a performance table of retaining begginer dancers .
    I would be very interested to know how they do that. The membership forms that I have seen do not ask about dance history. AFIK all the franchise knows about their members is the date they joined that franchise. Things may have changed. I have recommended that Ceroc alter their membership forms to ask:

    Is the new member already a member of another Ceroc Franchise already?
    If not have they danced MJ before?
    If not have they partner danced before?

    The retention rates from people who have danced MJ before are vastly different from those of the average newcomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiveLad View Post
    ... Becca (Witty Bird). ... patient beyond belief.
    Does... not... compute....


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    Re: Bad Taxis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    There are plenty of us small clubs that do it out of love though.
    In my experience most male small-club organisers do it for exactly the reasons most male Ceroc teachers do it.

    (I'll give you a hint, it's not about the money )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    What about - learning to dance

    The chap I based this thread on started going dancing as an a form of getting fit and learning the skill of dancing. His partner goes to Tap Dancing classes

    Is it so strange for someone to go to dance classes to learn to dance
    Absolutly right baby! Not a comprehensive list of reasons, but valid ones methinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post


    I agree wholeheartedly thats exactly why i taxi (proper rep on its way)
    The only problem with you being a taxi caz is you will probably lick the beginners
    I only lick special people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    Are you saying that because I teach beginners technique, I have low numbers? You were saying it important to tech teachnique earlier.
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    What can I say, I'm insane

    I'm only joking anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    In my experience most male small-club organisers do it for exactly the reasons most male Ceroc teachers do it.

    (I'll give you a hint, it's not about the money )
    You're not suggesting..........no! you couldn't possibly mean that.......oh my golly gosh, that's shocking......you mean they get to be first in queue at a freestyle for cake, biscuits, flapjacks, crumpet and any other titbits there might be that evening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiveLad View Post
    You're not suggesting..........no! you couldn't possibly mean that.......oh my golly gosh, that's shocking......you mean they get to be first in queue at a freestyle for cake, biscuits, flapjacks, crumpet and any other titbits there might be that evening?
    Crumpet and titbits, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caz View Post
    esp the newbies who walk in the door.. potentially that person could be the next amazing dancer we all want to dance with

    Quote Originally Posted by killingtime View Post
    Is that a terrible thing? My progress may have been hampered by women backleading me, teachers not driving in lead and follow connections from day one but... I had fun and came back for more. It was subsequently that I started to learn how to lead correctly (and I'm still learning) and, sure, backleading might have set me back a couple of months but then I might well have stopped dancing if all the women just stood there and stared at me while I made a hash of it.

    I'm not saying the taxi made the right call in this case. Maybe she should have stopped backleading, maybe she didn't even realise she was doing it in the first place.
    There's two sides to every story.

    Also ceroc advertises itself as "a dance for those who can't".

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    I always thought "Taxi Dancers" were a Ceroc idea - just received an email from an American swing site, whilst checking out their web site I found this .......

    Quote Originally Posted by Swing City
    Q: What's a "taxi dancer"?

    Taxi dancers are a tradition from ballroom dances of yesteryear, typically professional dancers hired by the club and available for dancing, often for pay.

    Our taxi dancers are of course FREE! They are volunteer experienced dancers, who are there to be "ambassadors" of sorts, particularly to the novices, with the responsibility to make sure everyone is having a good time and is dancing!


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    Re: Bad Taxis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    I always thought "Taxi Dancers" were a Ceroc idea - just received an email from an American swing site, whilst checking out their web site I found this .......
    No, they've been around for yonks:


    A taxi dancer, or "taxi" for short (the word has been used since circa 1927), is a professional dance partner in a partner dance. Taxi dancers are typically young women who are hired by male patrons to dance with them on a dance-by-dance basis. The term "taxi dancer" comes from the fact that, as with a taxi-cab driver, the dancer's pay is proportional to the time she spends with the patron.
    I especially like this bit:
    A "taxi" is not a prostitute, and no sexual favors may be expected off the dance floor.
    Now they tell me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    I always thought "Taxi Dancers" were a Ceroc idea - just received an email from an American swing site, whilst checking out their web site I found this .......
    There's even a song about being a taxi dancer.
    Love dance, will travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    especially like this bit:
    Now they tell me
    No sexual favours.. dammit.... that is exactly why i taxi... teehee....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caz View Post
    No sexual favours.. dammit.... that is exactly why i taxi... teehee....
    as if we didnt know

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