Yanking

[Astro]

I would also have thought that it is posible to do fancy footwork separately from what's going on with the upper body (or more specifically, in the case of most yankers, the arms).

I would have thought it impossible to do fancy footwork when you are being taken off-balance with every other arm lead. It may be possible if you completely disassociate the upper body and lower body, but then you can't be led (or lead) properly.

Yes that's true.

I had gone off tangent from Lory's post about being unbalanced after spins if the lead doesn't wait.

Some leads, who are not yankers, fall down because they don't wait for the beat, so attempting any footwork that is not the rudimentary trot, is not possible without risk.


Tip - Putting in an extra spin or two gives vital relief from the yanker for an extra few seconds.

[David Bailey]

I would also have thought that it is posible to do fancy footwork separately from what's going on with the upper body (or more specifically, in the case of most yankers, the arms).

Mmmm. Dunno. Depends on what you mean by "fancy footwork".

If you mean unled embellishments - e.g. adornos in AT - then yes, you can do them at any time, they're irrelevant to the lead. If you mean expansions or interpretations, then no.

I would have thought it impossible to do fancy footwork when you are being taken off-balance with every other arm lead.

Blimey, it's impossible to do anything if you're always off-balance. You're lucky if you can stand upright

It may be possible if you completely disassociate the upper body and lower body, but then you can't be led (or lead) properly.

I think you're probably using "disassociate" incorrectly - you probably mean "disconnect" I guess?

[Dreadful Scathe]

Blimey, it's impossible to do anything if you're always off-balance.

hmm, have you ever heard of "running" ?

[David Bailey]

hmm, have you ever heard of "running" ?

Runners aren't off-balance - if they are, they do this thing called "falling"

("balance" <> "axis")

[Lory]

Can I just say, its much much easier to stay balanced, when you do 'lots' of little steps (inc syncopation's ) than to try to stay balanced standing still or using large slow steps because with each step, you can correct your 'imbalance'

[David Franklin]

Runners aren't off-balance

I think they are, you know.

if they are, they do this thing called "falling"

Not for nothing is walking known as controlled falling.

Walking has been described as "controlled falling." Every time you take a step, you lean forward and fall slightly, and are caught by your outstretched foot. If you failed to put your foot forward, you would fall flat on your face.

Walking is controlled falling. Period.

Running is simply a more extreme case. (It is possible to walk without ever being off balance, though it's somewhat unnatural. I'm confident it is impossible to run without being off balance).

[Dreadful Scathe]

Runners aren't off-balance - if they are, they do this thing called "falling"

Bah, I refer to DF's lovely response.

You could move quickly and still stay on balance (without external aid such as a wheelchair, ferrari, cannon) by jumping from a weird spreadlegged position, rolling down a hill, throwing yourself off a mountain or possibly going on and on about Tango so much that the hot air builds up into a GIANT PRESSURE WALL OF FORCE that will propel you backwards in a smooth and quick dalek like slide.

Sorry, I just had to share that image

[martingold]

or possibly going on and on about Tango so much that the hot air builds up into a GIANT PRESSURE WALL OF FORCE that will propel you backwards in a smooth and quick dalek like slide.

coffee out of the nose time with that post
I think you have too much time on your hands mr smurf

[Gadget]

Can I just say, its much much easier to stay balanced, when you do 'lots' of little steps (inc syncopation's ) than to try to stay balanced standing still or using large slow steps because with each step, you can correct your 'imbalance'

Yup; much, much easier. I used to shuffle around all over the place. If I was deluding my self, I would say lots of little syncopations to ease the flow of movement. But being truthful it was shuffling to make it easier.

If you want to try to gain control over your shuffling and get it to look a bit better, then try WCS.
If you want to smooth out your shuffling and gain control so you don't need to shuffle so much, then try some ATango.
If you really can't be bothered about the looks of it but want your movements to flow better, then just shuffle... but try to do it in-time

Personally, most of the reason I dislike WCS is that it for most folk it looks a lot like 'shuffling' and getting the follower to do all the work ie making the lead easier and lazier. I prefer the look of AT. Actually I prefer the look of MJ with AT influence; pure AT is a bit... "aloof" for my liking.

[David Bailey]

I think they are, you know.

They're off-axis. They're not off-balance.

It's possible to fall in a balanced way

[David Franklin]

They're off-axis. They're not off-balance.

It's possible to fall in a balanced way

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Dreadful Scathe]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

mentally ?

[ant]

Originally Posted by David Bailey
They're off-axis.

They are moving through their axis.

[David Bailey]

What were we talking about again?

[David Franklin]

What were we talking about again?

I think you were going on and on about tango in the hope that you'd generate enough hot air that Rachbot would be attracted towards you as an energy source instead of Vinthent.

Or something...

[David Bailey]

I think you were going on and on about tango in the hope that you'd generate enough hot air that Rachbot would be attracted towards you as an energy source instead of Vinthent.

Or something...

Possibly. My brain cells are being steadily destroyed by the DS forum...

[David Franklin]

Possibly. My brain cells are being steadily destroyed by the DS forum...

<Molly Ivins>

If you don't stop reading that forum soon, we're gonna' have to send someone to water you twice a week.

</Molly>

[Jay Jay]

Well Stokie the first dance I had tonight was with the lady in question.

I started by asking her not to hold my hand so tightly in order to make it easier for her. She asked "why" and I said "it will make it easier for you because you won't have to guess when I want you to relax your hold when I need to change hand grips for the next move".

I then proceeded to have a lovely dance with the lady. At the end of it she asked "why have I not mentioned it before and did it feel better for me". In reply, I asked "if felt better for her", which she replied with a big grin on her face "much better".

I then asked my mate to have a dance with her. He also said it was a very pleasant dance with her now.

So alls well that ends well and once again thanks for the advice.

I think I know who you are talking about and I think she is totally oblivious it is just the way she has got in to the habit of dancing. I am really pleased you mentioned it to her, no one needs to take offence as was proved when you told her.

The bottom line is, if someone is doing something consistently wrong so much so it is putting people off dancing with them, it is unfair not to have a quiet word in their ear.

That is why I respect all the criticisms towards my Tango as I would never improve.......but are they all necessary? There does seem to be a lot of them

[martingold]

That is why I respect all the criticisms towards my Tango as I would never improve.......but are they all necessary? There does seem to be a lot of them

i dont think it was your tango he was talking about

[Jay Jay]

i dont think it was your tango he was talking about

Cheeky monkey