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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Also the religious one were taking children with care orders to the Church and trying to indoctrinate them.
    They were trying to save them you mean

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    There was definately a large religious group working as social workers.

    The religious ones looked down on the non religious ones as being Heathens and there was a rift.

    Also the religious one were taking children with care orders to the Church and trying to indoctrinate them.

    They hadn't asked their boss for permission to take them. Some parents found out and complained.

    I am sorry Astro, but I am totally confused and baffled by your comments where have you seen/read/heard this
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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by rubyred View Post
    I am sorry Astro, but I am totally confused and baffled by your comments where have you seen/read/heard this
    I am talking about events that came to light in the wake of Victoria Climbie's death in 2000.

    Not recent events.

    It could be, as Barry says, that it was only reported in local newspapers.
    There was alot of interest in the hackney paper as the head of Haringey Childrens Services at the time of Victoria's death had already applied and beeing accepted as head at Hackney.
    There was an outcry as hackney didn't want her.
    Think her name was Mary Richardson.


    The local papers now in 2008 are showing photos of members of the publice with placards saying -

    "Clean out Haringey once and for all"


    NB I am not attacking the vast majority of Seventh Day Adventists. I have a friend who is one. She went to the Tottenham SDA Church a couple of times and found it too strident. (Tottenham, along with Wood Green) is the hub of Haringey.

    Also, I'm not 100% it was The SDA Church members involved. It could have been Jehovahs Witnesses, Pentecostals or Baptists.

    Not to confuse matters, but Victoria Climbie was taken by her Aunt to a shady outfit sort of church. The name, I'm not sure of - possibly Kingdom of God.
    This Church took over the beloved Rainbow Theatre, and perform "miracle healings" there.
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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    This has jogged my memory.

    Mary Richardson (head of Haringey Social Services ay the time of Victoria Climbies death, was allowed to take up the highly paid post of head of Social Services in Hackney.

    Some time into her stewardship, it was front page news in the Hackney Gazette when the Hackney Age Concern challenged her small budget for seniors.

    She replied that it wasn't worth spending much money on them as they were going to die in the end.

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    Now and unnamed nonce from Sheffield/Lincoln has being likenened to the Austrian Fritz.

    He will be in prison for life hopefully.

    Over 19 years he raped his two daughters and they were made pregnant.

    These girls have about 6 surviving children between them.

    Social services visited the home. On one occasion the social workers asked the girls if their father was gettting into bed with them. (they had had a tip off) The girls said no because they were too scared of their father to tell the truth,

    He had two homes he moved the family between to avoid detection.

    No mention of a wife, but then I suppose he didn't need one.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    He will be in prison for life hopefully.
    In fact he got 25 life sentences, and he'll serve a minimum of 19-and-a-half years ... er...which makes each life sentence worth around 280 days.
    hmm i think they really should stop referring to "life", its clearly pointless


    No mention of a wife, but then I suppose he didn't need one.
    eh? what do you mean by that?

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post



    eh? what do you mean by that?
    You know what I mean.

    I don't understand this, Baby P was examined 2 days before he died by a NHS GP.

    The GP failed to notice the baby's back was broken, and he is under investigation from the BMA, the worst theat can happen to him is that he will be struck off.

    Who took him Baby P to the GP?

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    hmm i think they really should stop referring to "life", its clearly pointless
    Not pointless, it's just that the meaning has changed.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    You know what I mean.
    No, i really don't , and the connotations are not nice

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Not pointless, it's just that the meaning has changed.
    hmm, if you buy the same thing from a newsagents every day and he gives you "change" and that "change" is a random amount unrelated to the cost of the item or the money handed over - then clearly the label is pointless...its suggesting something that should be clearly defined but is not.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    No, i really don't , and the connotations are not nice



    hmm, if you buy the same thing from a newsagents every day and he gives you "change" and that "change" is a random amount unrelated to the cost of the item or the money handed over - then clearly the label is pointless...its suggesting something that should be clearly defined but is not.
    I agree.

    The judge did say that he reccomended that he shouldn't be allowed out until he was "old and feeble."

    But that's just a recomendation.

    That French (surname) woman has been released and is in a "safe house" somewhere north of Birmingham. She aided and abetted another nonce, who is still in prison.

    Re. Baby P - it was a doctor at Great Ormond Street Children's hospital who has been suspended.
    I thought they were some of the world's best peadraticians.

    The Sharon Mathews court case is currently been heard. The mother says she was set up by her violent boyfriend.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    No mention of a wife, but then I suppose he didn't need one.
    So all a man needs a wife for is sex? So glad you told us that. I doubt my wife will be too impressed to hear it, though.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Re. Baby P - it was a doctor at Great Ormond Street Children's hospital who has been suspended.
    I thought they were some of the world's best peadraticians.
    "Best" and "perfect" are not the same thing.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baruch View Post
    So all a man needs a wife for is sex? So glad you told us that. I doubt my wife will be too impressed to hear it, though.
    Indeed. I thought thats what Astro meant but asked her to clarify. But apparantly I was right

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baruch View Post
    So all a man needs a wife for is sex? So glad you told us that. I doubt my wife will be too impressed to hear it, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Indeed. I thought thats what Astro meant but asked her to clarify. But apparantly I was right
    I meant it in a different context.

    Didn't want to go into details, but a peodophile doesn't want a sexual relationship with an adult woman. He wants a sexual relationship with a child.

    They will often use an adult woman as a means of access to children - as in the case of the peodophile who used Ms French, who was babysitting a baby. I'm not saying she wasn't evil too.

    Also peodophiles will have sex with single mothers. But it is only a means to an end. Once they have the mother's trust, they will move onto the mother's children.

    These are the type who sometimes work in peodophile rings. If the mother twigs, the man will move on, but tip off another member of his group, who will move in on the same woman.

    Some peodophiles, like Fritzl and his UK eqivalent, will marry and bed their own children.

    Most sexually abused children are abused within their family or by a member of their community.

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    Wow. That's 153½ different spellings of paedophile in one post. It's a Guinness World Record!!


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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    OK, the report's out, we can all pile in.

    Looks like, despite the Climbié follow up, Haringey Social Services was about as much use a a chocolate teapot.

    Resignations and firings all round - let's hope - but how are they going to instill real and permanent change?

    Like many large organisations it seems that people were in a 'whatever keeps my job' mentality.

    It's quite depressing, really.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    So, suspensions given out and investigations have proceeded about little baby P.

    ALL ON FULL PAY

    I really can not fathom what this world is coming too. That woman who was in charge is likely to walk away with a six figure severence pay.


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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    OK, the report's out, we can all pile in.

    Looks like, despite the Climbié follow up, Haringey Social Services was about as much use a a chocolate teapot.
    Yes - and against my initial opinion (that this was a one-off, tragic coincidence), it does really appear that Haringey Social Services are genuinely useless as an organisation. Ofsted also looks pretty rubbish, giving HSS a good rating at the same time as this was happening.

    In other words, the changes made after Climbie have not had much effect on the agencies involved.

    "Depressing" sums it up quite nicely.

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    So, people are going to get fired
    They are going to have lots of inspections

    BUT is that going to make things better? I don’t think so
    No mention about Training the existing people to their job
    I don’t have any formal management training, but unannounced, formal inspection seems to be the last thing they should be doing

    I have found no mention of severance pay. But Haringey Social Services will have to follow our draconian employment law, which very much on the side of the employee

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    Re: What is happening to social services?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    I really can not fathom what this world is coming too. That woman who was in charge is likely to walk away with a six figure severence pay.
    Well to be honest, I don't give a monkey's about that, the more important point is how to fix things at the organisational level.

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