Martin...... I think Ceroc opens the door... the person himself/herself makes their life better.
Let me give you an example.. if you was a miserable sod... ceroc or no ceroc, you would still be a miserable sod.
As you are clearly not a miserable sod....and sorry for repeating myself but Ceroc have given you the base and you have made your life better because YOU have made your life better.... darling.... you are what you make yourself.. its nothing to do with Ceroc.
Now come on chelle you know i am a miserable sod i only smile when i see you
All joking apart it was dancing that has given me the confidence i now have without that i would still be in the same boring loveless relationship i was in before and without ceroc i wouldnt be dancing etc etc
And I believe he always has - don't believe the hype
Was it Stanley Baldwin who paid tribute to Mike Ellard as "a remarkable man" who made "great achievements".
oh no my mistake he meant...er...someone else
Oh nice shiny boots Dave. All together <click> now...hands out and up...Anyway thats it really, thought I would run this up the flagpole and see who salutes it.
nah, better not
(did I take it too far ? I'll get DBs opinion on this post still being a technical Godwin)
Grateful, yes, very grateful, for giving me the confidence to start out on something totally alien to me, go places in a friendly environment and feel totally at ease. Yes it was me that took the step, yes it was me that kept going, yes it was me that continued to push myself but it was Ceroc that made it all available to me. I have got a life outside of dancing, but my life is now very much enhanced because of it.
PS - I love Ceroc. I really do. The anticipation as I enter the door. Unfolding the card holder to reveal the black plastic card. Watching as it it scanned and hearing the welcome from the friendly door staff. Hearing the sounds of an exciting tune and wondering what the night might bring......giggles and laughter and general bonhomie. Halcyon days.
It's a friendly old monster really.
Last edited by JiveLad; 22nd-September-2008 at 05:37 PM.
Sorry that you find my statement sad and I note that you to say that even though dance plays a large part in your life that your life was never dull before, that is good for you but I am not you and I have probably lived a completely different life, which you have absolutely no knowledge of so it would be impossible to judge whether the statement is sad or not. Anyway I am really happy right now and dance plays a large part in that, so I have positive feelings towards Ceroc because that was my entry into the world of dance. But what is really sad is how much time I am spending on this forum lately
Me too - and I've no problem in saying I'm grateful to Ceroc as a whole for providing an easy entry point into dancing, neither do I see anything wrong with anyone else saying that.
Fluffybunniesfluffybunniesfluffybunniesfluffybunni esfluffybunniesfluffybunniesfluffybunnies....
And I also think Ceroc has been a great help in keeping the ideas of partner dancing alive during the dark days of the 1980s and 1990s; I remember when it was irredeemably naff to actually dance with a girl except to 10cc at the end of a disco.
So, again, a to Ceroc for that.
Obviously there exists no circumstances where Ceroc are 100% responsible for introducing people to dance. It requires at least some self effort as well. On the other hand, if somebody did get introduced to dance thru Ceroc, and then went on to really enjoy it, I would find it churlish of anybody to refuse to acknowledge that Ceroc played a part.
I am certainly thankful to the owners of Ceroc South as it was back then.
Sounds like a Status Quo song, but 'nobody is an island'
As to ending discos slow dancing to 10cc. Oh My God, you must be around my age Mr. James
Last edited by TA Guy; 22nd-September-2008 at 11:31 PM.
This so, so, so doesn't surprise me. From my time working in neighbour mediation, so often, the neighbours had been good friends, sometime very good. Then, usually about 6 months previous, some really little incident was taken the wrong way, like returning a lawnmower a day late. This creates a little doubt, and the 'offended' party has a really little and trivial swipe back. The next 6 months finds them in an escalating insult race, until, finally, those two good friends totally and entirely hate each others' guts.
Talking to each individually verifies that they are reasonable people, that seems to fly in the face of the monster that they describe in their neighbour
Inevitably, the turning point (if it comes) in the mediation, is when one, or other party starts to look forward at options, and how things might be for them, rather than looking backwards, and blaming for their current and past situations.
This is with perfectly reasonable neighbours who did have a relationship that was never in the public domain, with no major money involved, and have a definite benefit to be gained from a decent relationship. For most of us, we are free to choose what relationships and how involved we want to be with those around us.
Sadly, it's almost always communication, and sound intention is generally tempered only by distrust.
So, back vaguely on-topic...
I also think it's fascinating to see the beneficial effect one dominant player can have on the dancing, on the culture, and on the teaching of a dance form.
In many ways, I think this "market leader" position has been positive; it's ensured a reasonable (or at least a consistent) standard of teaching, it's helped to create and define a uniquely friendly culture, and it allows a lot more mobility between venues.
As far as I know, Ceroc is unique in the partner dance world - I can't think of any other equivalent commercial organisation.
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