As I understand it, it's a general rule - if you look here it's Rule 8:
CEROC - About
Then if that's a Ceroc venue, they seem to be breaking those rules - I'd query it, personally.
We've got several long threads discussing this somewhere...
8. The dancing, learning or practice of aerial moves is strictly forbidden at any Ceroc venue, save for the Ceroc Champs. Please note that this extends to any part of a Ceroc venue including corridors, the car park or private rooms. This rule applies irrespective of whether you are regular dance partners.
This rule/quote is taken off a local franchise that I use but is it appicable to all Ceroc venues or is it at the ceroc franchise owners discretion. It seems looking at the statement that it applies to all but I have been to a venue recently where one or two couples (including the owner/teacher) do incorporate a few arials (not just baby ones) in their dance repetoire every now and then.
As I understand it, it's a general rule - if you look here it's Rule 8:
CEROC - About
Then if that's a Ceroc venue, they seem to be breaking those rules - I'd query it, personally.
We've got several long threads discussing this somewhere...
no kieth but it depends on what the insurance regulations say when its written up one of which is no ariels and another being taxi dancers are not allowed to teach
hence when you break these rules the insurance is not valid
To use your analogy of car insurance if you were able to get cheaper insurance if the company wrote in that you are not insured if parked on a double yellow line then your insurance would be invalid were you to do so
Martin - the subject has been done-to-death, but nobody has ever come up this mythical insurance "regulation" (note - policy wording is not a regulation) or even a definition of what an aerial is! Your earlier statement
is plain wrong, it's as simple as that, it's scare tactics, bigdjiver gave a much more correct response.
Statements like "your insurance is invalid", "it's against the law" and "it's an HSE regulation" are normally used as a cop-out to hide behind and stifle any debate. It's not worth running the debate again, but I did find the misinformation you have been indoctrinated with a bit much, can we leave it at that?
To avoid all of this antagonistic conjecture, has anyone actually considered calling Ceroc HQ to find out the real reason?
I have (well, I didn't call, I just asked them when I saw them at my venue).
And he told me the real reason is insurance - it's a condition of their insurance cover.
I don't know that his answer is true, but I see no reason to doubt it. I think it would be pretty unreasonable to expect Ceroc to provide proof.
Edit: Thinking about it, I'm not sure if the person concerned really counts as "Ceroc HQ". I'd say he's definitely "inner circle", however.
Last edited by David Franklin; 3rd-September-2008 at 11:18 AM.
I have two insurances as a dance teacher. Neither mentions airsteps. However, what we are asked to do is to conduct a risk-assessment. I believe that the risks of airsteps on a social dance floor are unacceptable risks. Therefore I don't allow airsteps and say so in our rules.
OK, it seems that it's not going to go away and we can't just leave it That Andy, seems a perfectly reasonable approach! You have done an individual risk assessment, based on your locations and dancers, and judged that air steps are an unacceptable risk. Nobody can argue with that, specific judgements on specific locations.
What would be nice though is a definition, from Ceroc, of what exactly they consider an aerial to be? I hope that all of their crew know the answer, because if they haven't trained their staff on what it is they are supposed to be banning then they have opened themselves up to claims of negligence!
If I ever taught airsteps that would probably be the case. However, I teach people how to dance socially. I believe that the airsteps like the ones you see in airsteps competitions are dangerous on a social dance floor.
Of course it does all depend on how you define an airstep.
On the subject of insurance. My insurances are off-the-peg insurances. I had to buy insurance policies that were on offer. I expect that Ceroc are spending enough money to have a dialogue with their insurer and have a bespoke policy written for them. This means their policy is specific to their business. My guess is that they would have to pay more if they permitted airsteps. Of course I'm only guessing as I know nothing about insurance and nothing about the way Ceroc run their business.
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