Who are you, and what have you done with the real Trouble?Originally Posted by Trouble
Absolutely DJ.... I agree with you. Where is the fun in one finger dancing. Where is the fun in no contact. Also would like to add that cross body leads are by far the loveliest moves in my opinion. They give full eye contact, body contact just here and there and a connection. They also allow the lead the opportunity to finger hold, hand hold or body hold.. i love em.
NooHis wealth of experience clearly; by what evidence do you support his need to give any evidence? Surely we should take steven666's comments as some sort of official jivestandard by now - he should write it all down though.
Gadget has already done it all for him - although Steven 666 is better at spelling.
Steven 666 - as a dancer he certainly knows how to spell
Rotational dancing is perfectly acceptable in MJ. What's she doing wrong ?Not if it is not led or led by accident, which seems to be common. I had a dance once with someone who insisted on travelling around me, I assumed she had just danced with moondancers Lead C and picked up the v.bad habit. I ended up dancing in a very small slot to get her to stay still, but it still didnt work, she'd pull her way out of it
Whether it occurs deliberately, or by accident is really not important (outside the question of maybe she/he'd like to widen his/her abilities and learn to dance the other way one day). Rotational is allowed.
The question in this case is who decides how you dance? Some leaders try and dictate there preference on follows. Some think that's okay as 'the leader leads'. I prefer the other way as to quote a common cliche on here, I am closer to: 'the leader invites'.
*shrug* I personally let the follow dictate it completely. This does mean you have to be roughly equally capable of dancing in both styles, but that's no biggie for any half-decent dancer with not too large an ego
Last edited by TA Guy; 28th-August-2008 at 10:17 AM.
Well - she's not exactly following well, is she?
ahhhh sarcasm....... you know thats the lowest form of wit. xxxWho are you, and what have you done with the real Trouble?
If you lead directly toward you and someone ends up 90 degrees to your right, its NOT following and you may as well NOT bother leading.
Well in dance, I'd say anything is allowed accept completely ignoring the leadRotational is allowed.
Well why do you bother then if you are never leading?Some leaders try and dictate there preference on follows. Some think that's okay as 'the leader leads'. I prefer the other way as to quote a common cliche on here, I am closer to: 'the leader invites'.
*shrug* I personally let the follow dictate it completely.
Styles? Leading or letting the follow dicate completely? are they styles now?This does mean you have to be roughly equally capable of dancing in both styles, but that's no biggie for any half-decent dancer with not too large an ego
Whew, you're back, you had me worried there for a minute.
Did you step out of her way?!
Why is it the followers fault ? That is a meaningless argument, you may as well argue "the follow isn't going where you wanted, your a crap lead" ?
Dance is a partnership, just because your partner is a little bit inexperienced and maybe limited in how she/he dances and happens to want to dictate a certain style is not an excuse for you to dictate too. Be the better dancer, be above that!!!
I am not going to argue for a dictatorship however much some like forcing their parters into a slot for reasons of 'fad following' or ego etc.
Which could well be the case, I'll admit, BUT....
A good lead will be indicating direction & degree of movement across the floor. It's not a matter of forcing people into a slot or anything daft like that - if nothing else, it's a matter of floorcraft. How can you possibly take care of your partner on the floor, and exhibit good courtesy to those around you by avoiding collisions etc etc etc if you are not leading in this way?Dance is a partnership, just because your partner is a little bit inexperienced and maybe limited in how she/he dances and happens to want to dictate a certain style is not an excuse for you to dictate too. Be the better dancer, be above that!!!
I am not going to argue for a dictatorship however much some like forcing their parters into a slot for reasons of 'fad following' or ego etc.
Yeah, I agree, one finger leading can be a good way of making someone who 'over-leads' realise that sometimes, they can achieve the same results, with much less.
Shamefully, I have to agree with Rob yet again. The more contact you have with your partner, the easier it is to communicate your intentions.
Although one-finger leading is good practice, as is no-finger leading for that matter.
And for the follower, its a good way to practice maintaining contact. One has to concentrate more.
But for normal dancing, I think its best to use whatever achieves the most effortless results!
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I'd make this a conditional acceptance. If that's how it's led. If there's enough room. If it's not a cross-body move. If you know the difference.
It can be rather off-putting, especially when you lead a return on the spot and she steps several feet to your right while returning.
So we should all grip and hug to an inch of our lives?
I'm not going to say she's doing anything wrong, as she may be dancing like this intentionally but...
I clearly remember when I first started Ceroc, that I often went off balance after turning/spinning and I quickly worked out, that if I carried on, in the same direction, it stopped me from falling over.
In my case I 'was' wrong, as I was purely using it as a way of steadying myself.
It took a couple of good leads, to be brutally honest with me and point out my failingand then to help me improve
to a point where, I can choose to rotate, or not!
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But is that the leads fault?
Bah! That'd probably lead to world peace or some other hippy nonsense!
I was wondering when someone would open this particular can of worms. I can happily answer... if you're genuinely interested, as opposed to sparking off another round of furious debate while you munch away on your popcorn...But is that the leads fault?
I AM genuinely interested!
Granted, It could well be that i was a crap lead in this case, but as i stated, i adjusted all the way down to practically standing on the spot and leading away and back to no avail. All that is irrelevant though as we are talking about the BAD HABIT of constantly rotating, not whether i have a crap lead or not - you say its a valid style, i say it is certainly not and I agree entirely with Andy who says.
Conflicting messages ? Yes, dance is a partnership but No, I don't want to "be the better dancer". I want to have a dance in partnernership with my partner. Do you have a "big book of boll0cks dance rhetoric" you're quoting from ?Dance is a partnership, just because your partner is a little bit inexperienced and maybe limited in how she/he dances and happens to want to dictate a certain style is not an excuse for you to dictate too. Be the better dancer, be above that!!!
In this case I was "forcing" into a slot to see if said follower could actually follow, but she couldn't. I am saying that constant rotation is a bad habit because it is...well, constant, and not subject to music, lead, wind direction, or anything useful at all. Would you also say it was a valid "style" if the follower constantly hopped on one leg at right angles to your lead. Would that not be a bit daft?
Exactly
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