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    STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Results of further distraction on YouTube rather than finishing admin.

    Saw video lesson by a local LeRoc instructor. Not sure about the claim that the 'correct footwork' inherently stpos bouncing (Andy McG may differ in view?) but its interesting to see the difference between Ceroc and LeRoc teaching.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    *clicks link*

    *quickly clicks close*

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    AndyMcG always bounces now adays


    Im going to video him this thursday and post it haha, see if theres any actual bounce there.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vegetable View Post
    AndyMcG always bounces now adays


    Im going to video him this thursday and post it haha, see if theres any actual bounce there.
    Keeping Quite. lol.


    Bit dissapionted in that vid that she only done one spin out of the catapult. With correct spinning they should at least get 5 spins in .

    Not sure about the way the turns were taught. I always find dancers that double step their spins are awkward to dance with.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    Keeping Quite. lol.


    Bit dissapionted in that vid that she only done one spin out of the catapult. With correct spinning they should at least get 5 spins in .

    Not sure about the way the turns were taught. I always find dancers that double step their spins are awkward to dance with.
    double step?



    I found it interesting that at the beginning they taught the right spin going backwards and left spin going forward rather than left and right going forward and backwards

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Turing Correctly? With a Turing Machine, or a Turing Test?

    Strange handhold... Otherwise, unremarkable.

    Where is the claim that correct footwork stops bouncing?
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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    This video is not about spinning. It is about turning (did anyone notice that the spelling was wrong on the video titles?).
    Quote Originally Posted by Yliander View Post
    double step?


    However, I've got not intention of correcting Lee. He's part of the competition and he can carry on teaching without change as far as I'm concerned

    Quote Originally Posted by Yliander View Post
    I found it interesting that at the beginning they taught the right spin going backwards and left spin going forward rather than left and right going forward and backwards
    Apart from the right turn going backwards I thought the footwork on turning was fine - even then, if that was what was led it was fine. I've really got nothing else to add.

    Oh, apart from a comment about the semi-cirle

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    (did anyone notice that the spelling was wrong on the video titles?).
    I don't know why, but I suspect Ducasi might've...

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I thought the footwork on turning was fine


    Sorry? What did you say, Andy?
    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I thought the footwork on turning was fine


    Nope - I've got to hear that one more time....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I thought the footwork on turning was fine


    Do you really mean that, Andy?


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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yliander View Post
    double step?
    Watched it with less tired eyes this morning and no double step. Just seeing things .

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Where is the claim that correct footwork stops bouncing?
    That's not in the video itself, but in the info to the right of the screen.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    its interesting to see the difference between Ceroc and LeRoc teaching.
    Indeed. I usually dance LeRoc, but last night I went to a local Ceroc class because my usual class is closed for 2 weeks.

    The main thing I noticed about the lessons was that the movements that were taught were broadly the same as in a LeRoc class (albeit without mentioning footwork to the same extent), but the way they were described was very different. No better or worse, but different. It took me a little while to acclimatise to that before I really started getting into the class.

    Nice moves though

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baruch View Post
    That's not in the video itself, but in the info to the right of the screen.
    OK, but it actually says "learning to turn and spin correctly" stops bouncing, and there's more to that than footwork. It's a bold claim, especially as the teacher's hand still seems to bounce a bit as he steps through the moves.

    I'd say stopping bouncing your hand is the best way to stop bouncing your hand, but I'm not a teacher, so what do I know?

    Let your mind go and your body will follow. Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    I'd say stopping bouncing your hand is the best way to stop bouncing your hand, but I'm not a teacher, so what do I know?
    I took it to mean stopping bouncing your body up and down (as often happens when beginners are stepping a turn), rather than the hand - although IMO both should be avoided.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Do you really mean that, Andy?

    Hey, I didn't invent the footwork for MJ. MJ is a folk dance. You need to watch how fold do it and teach people to do the same. Currently people do it the way it's shown in the video. Is there something that Lou thinks is wrong with the footwork in this clip?

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    Is there something that Lou thinks is wrong with the footwork in this clip?
    Nope. I think the footwork is perfectly lovely. Look at how elegantly the lady steps back on her right foot before the Return, and then back on her left foot afterwards.

    It sure warms the cockles of me ol' heart to see you finally agree with me, Andy! (Although I am scared that something bad will now happen to the universe!)

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Nope. I think the footwork is perfectly lovely. Look at how elegantly the lady steps back on her right foot before the Return, and then back on her left foot afterwards.
    For a lesson surely you should step back on alternative feet. Correct foot work would also require the front foot (The other foot from the 1 you step back on) to be slight reposition on the next step.

    Teaching spin and raising your foot that high, sure is a bad thing. Arms positions, well what can you say.

    All things in this video I hope no beginner will copy

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashenfie View Post
    For a lesson surely you should step back on alternative feet.
    They'll be the ones in my New Rock boots, then? They're pretty "alternative".

    Quote Originally Posted by ashenfie View Post
    Correct foot work would also require the front foot (The other foot from the 1 you step back on) to be slight reposition on the next step.
    I can honestly say that I have no idea what you're on about. But it does sound fun.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    It sure warms the cockles of me ol' heart to see you finally agree with me, Andy! (Although I am scared that something bad will now happen to the universe!)
    There I was thinking that you were finally agreeing with me, Lou!

    On the subject of stepping too high. I think that you need to exaggerate your steps a little when teaching footwork so that people actually see what you're doing and where the weight changes come in. However, when you demo to a tune you need to dance the moves as you would in freestyle.

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    The reason a lot of people "bounce" the hand is because they lower the hand too early and then they have an extra half beat that they don't know what to do with, so they end up bouncing the hand

    With that clip, he's teaching the footwork for turn and return but looking at what he's doing with his hands:

    he turns the lady around to face and then he lowers the hand (and they both step back).

    He's actually missing a part (and he's keeping his hand held high for half a beat too long and then he lowers his hand but he doesn't lead her to step back).


    To "eliminate" the bounce

    The turn and return actually has 3 parts to it:
    Beat 1: The man turns the lady clockwise completely around to face (keeping the hand held high - as shown in the video)
    Beat +: The man lowers his hand to the lady's waist level (as shown in the video but he lowers the hand half a beat too late - he lowers it on beat 2)
    beat 2: The man pushes his hand to lead the lady to step back (not shown in the video)

    Beat 1: The man returns the lady anti-clockwise completely around to face (keeping the hand held high - as shown in the video)
    Beat +: The man lowers his hand to the lady's waist level (as shown in the video but he lowers the hand half a beat too late - he lowers it on beat 2)
    beat 2: The man pushes his hand to lead the lady to step back (not shown in the video)

    So...
    1: Turn
    +: Lower
    2: Push Back

    1: Return
    +: Lower
    2: Push Back

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    Re: STOP BOUNCING - The LeRoc Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Doyle View Post

    ...
    To "eliminate" the bounce
    ...

    Some things in life and dance are quite complex.
    Some are quite simple.
    Some are very simple, but people make them complex.

    Personally, I think this one's quite simple. If you want to stop bouncing....

    DON'T BOUNCE!

    That is all.
    (I hope I'm not over-complicating things here)

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