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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I think the conclusion should be....... one shouldn't expect to subject their partner, to anything one wouldn't like done to oneself!
    [B]groin slap the follower into a tight hold and sway a lot [/B]


    Just so we are clear.....

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    I think the conclusion should be....... one shouldn't expect to subject their partner, to anything one wouldn't like done to oneself!
    How do you know if you'll like it until you try it? It's an egg and chicken situation. (Ooer that's conjuring up some really wrong images!!)

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cruella View Post
    How do you know if you'll like it until you try it? It's an egg and chicken situation. (Ooer that's conjuring up some really wrong images!!)
    No no no, as you said, he ought to try it (first)
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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    No no no, as you said, he ought to try it (first)
    Well, personally, I like both.

    Eggs and chicken.

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Gerry i have led you and been led by you, nought wrong in either case mate.

    Some ladies are great leaders, Trouble, Snow White, Tor (exceptional), and everyone else I missed.


    If you can lead and follow you must be a better dancer just by the fact that you swop during the dance and have fun fun fun.

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Aside from all the other great things that have been mentioned, I find that as a follower I need to pay a lot of attention to my partner, and this is a useful skill as a leader too.

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    I need to pay a lot of attention to my partner, and this is a useful skill as a leader too.
    And for men in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    To all the men that follow and claim it benefits their leading ability by being able to see and feel things from their partner's perspective: do you also allow your partner to stick a d*ldo where the sun doesn't shine so that you can experience sex from your partner's perspective and thus improve your ability in bed?
    Following this logic, should we also stop attempting to reverse park our cars, stop using logic and discover what all those symbols mean on the front of the magic white metal box in the kitchen that makes dirty clothes clean too rob?

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Does dancing as a follow do any harm? I've only just started dancing as a follow, I am well aware that I'm at the < 6 week beginner stage with it! I dance the occasional part track and full track, I did my first full beginners class as a follow last night.

    At the very least I've found it useful just to see things from your followers perspective, I think I have adjusted my lead technique slightly already as a result of the experience.

    Can anybody see any reasons why I should not dance as a follow sometimes?

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    I personally think that all teachers should be able to do the opposite role too, otherwise they are just teaching half the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    I personally think that all teachers should be able to do the opposite role too, otherwise they are just teaching half the class.
    If moves are being taught correctly should there be any need to teach people how to follow them?

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    I personally think that all teachers should be able to do the opposite role too, otherwise they are just teaching half the class.
    Which is probably fine if both people on the stage are teachers

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    So if a lady asks the teacher during freestyle 'How do I do this' he should be able to show her.

    If a male teacher is only teaching the leaders and not the followers, then he is only teaching half the class.

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bartholomew View Post
    So if a lady asks the teacher during freestyle 'How do I do this' he should be able to show her.

    If a male teacher is only teaching the leaders and not the followers, then he is only teaching half the class.
    But if a lady asks a teacher how to do something during freestyle and the teacher show's her - he's only teaching one person, which is even worse than only half the class!

    Fortunately, most teachers are lucky enough to have a (presumably) competant and experienced partner who can go into greater detail than the teacher could regarding their role should it be required.

    Of course, the most sensible thing to do IMO would be to recognise that both people on the stage have something important to contribute and call them both teachers

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    Cool Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by NZ Monkey View Post
    Of course, the most sensible thing to do IMO would be to recognise that both people on the stage have something important to contribute and call them both teachers
    What!! ...and PAY them both!!!!!

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    I don’t think I have met any teachers who cannot follow and lead

    Seems to be part of the job

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by philsmove View Post
    I don’t think I have met any teachers who cannot follow and lead

    Seems to be part of the job
    I think it should be.

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    If moves are being taught correctly should there be any need to teach people how to follow them?
    IMHO yes and no, I have never been a follower in a Ceroc class, there are times when I am totally mistified at what I have been led to do and when I have totally f%cked it up.

    When I have waited and kept my frame I think I have followed OK, you can tell me if that is so as you have led me, by the way our dances are allways a blast as I haven't a clue what your going to have me doing, which is why its so much fun.

    When my frame dissappears lots of mistakes appear and I am all over the place.

    When I have done Ceroc classes I find half of the women have led themselves, I become very frustrated as I find I am not allowed to perform my function of the dance which is to lead.
    I find that most Ceroc classes do not take the time to reinforce how important the frame is for them to be able to follow and to be led.

    While framework is not being reinforced it is important for the followers to be taught the moves to at least understand what could be coming up.

    Sorry its late and its seems to be a bit of a jumble, hopefully i have made a few pertinent points.

    Over and out

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    What it has done for me is to give me an appreciation of when to initiate a move, make sure the follower is on the correct foot it just calms down my leading, and I tend to give the follower more time to play.
    An appreciation of drawing the follower into a move on the correct foot, is often overlooked.

    I spent a couple of years sharing a place with a female MJ dance teacher and we used to work out moves for our lessons together (even though she worked for a different dance company to me) - for the routines, we always swapped roles of lead and follow and gave feedback.

    The biggest thing I learnt was to "correct foot" the follow. To make it flow.

    Following on, I am now very aware, when a class routine does not give the follow "recovery time" or "stuffs up natural ballance" or "makes the follow fudge the footwork".

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    Re: How exactly does dancing as a follower improve your lead?

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    If moves are being taught correctly should there be any need to teach people how to follow them?
    In my opinion you can only lead properly with someone who knows how to follow properly.

    So my answer to that question would be yes, except that the followers should be taught to follow movements, not moves.

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