Ethnicity of ceroc goers

[David Bailey]

Y'know, if that's your goal, wouldn't it be more interesting to include a Hispanic/Latino category, considering the cultural background of AT & Salsa?

No, because that'd be messing around with the categories just because it "felt right", and that way lies madness. Well, more madness.

EDIT: I can't help wondering why we've only got 1 Scottish person on this forum

[Lou]

Give the guy a break , what was a simple opening request seems to be turning into a saga

How many more times do I have to tell you? I hate to see numbers suffering! Poorly thought out questionnaires mean bad statistics.

I suppose it's OK for the average Daily Mail poll, though. It'll allow you to prove whatever you want.

[Lou]

EDIT: I can't help wondering why we've only got 1 Scottish person on this forum

'Cos most people had replied before it was an option?

[ducasi]

EDIT: I can't help wondering why we've only got 1 Scottish person on this forum

I refuse to change my vote as an act of cultural defiance.

[dave the scaffolder]

100% Welsh.

Can trace my family back to the Boer war where the Zulu;s kicked the sh1t out of us.

Can trace back to when we kicked the sh1t out of the Normans.

Goes back to when we kicked the sh1t out of the Romans.

We seem to be involved in a lot of sh1t kicking, sometimes we win, sometimes we lose.

100% Pure breed, the blood line has never been contaminated, my parents were closely related, they were brothers, keep it in the family.

DTS XXX XXX

[David Bailey]

I refuse to change my vote as an act of cultural defiance.

Yeah, yeah.

Hold on, that's weird, we've lost a Chinese person somewhere... I'm sure we had one, now he / she's gone. Mind you, we've gained a Scottish person

I'm also now wondering whether I should change "White - British" to "White - English", but then what happens with the Welsh? Argh, this is why I didn't want to change the options.

[Lynn]

I'm also now wondering whether I should change "White - British" to "White - English", but then what happens with the Welsh? Argh, this is why I didn't want to change the options.

Does it make a difference to your stats whether a person is White - British/English/Welsh/Scottish/N Irish/Irish?

What about White European, North American or Australian?

You need to know what sort of information you want out of the survey before you design the questions/choices. What part is important - whether a person is white/black/mixed race in their colour or backgroud or their cultural influences? Should people vote based on their genetic make up or the country/culture they were brought up in and identify most with?

And you're missing S America - which if you have an interest in comparing with other dance styles such as AT and salsa is surely relevant?

[Stuart M]

Hold on, that's weird, we've lost a Chinese person somewhere... I'm sure we had one, now he / she's gone. Mind you, we've gained a Scottish person

Well, I originally voted "Chinese or other - other" which was the closest equivalent to White - Scottish at the time. It was also the only equivalent to the obligatory silly option. Which one of those I was emulating - well the silly option obviously. And then I subsequently withdrew it, but subsequent to that, failed to drum up the enthusiasm to vote for anything else.

Anyway, off to Facebook to deny the ventriloquism slurs again.

[Stuart M]

I refuse to change my vote as an act of cultural defiance.

Hmm - they may take our lives, but they'll never have our mouseclicks...

[JiveLad]

David - you talk about wanting to compare the demographics of different dance groups (although you aren;t quite sure how you will get all the data).

Now - assuming you did have this data (and asumming it was a representative sample) I'm really interested to know what you would do with it - or what is the meaning to you?

An easier way to do it, is simply to go around the different places. Even within Ceroc/MJ there are massive local differences - compare say Haywards Heath (almost exclusively White - but one Russian) with say Chiswick - probably the most ethnically diverse I have experienced.

And your poll is not fully representative anyway - as there are many other people from a wider ethnic base. (At least who I have danced with...).

[Lynn]

What about White European, North American or Australian?

* hides from forumites from NZ etc*

[Lou]

You need to know what sort of information you want out of the survey before you design the questions/choices. What part is important - whether a person is white/black/mixed race in their colour or backgroud or their cultural influences? Should people vote based on their genetic make up or the country/culture they were brought up in and identify most with?

And you're missing S America - which if you have an interest in comparing with other dance styles such as AT and salsa is surely relevant?

Well said, Lynn! I've already tried to point all this out to him, but maybe he'll listen to you.

Now - assuming you did have this data (and asumming it was a representative sample) I'm really interested to know what you would do with it - or what is the meaning to you?

He's already said, he only wants to compare the demographics of different dance forms.

The question you want to be asking is "why?"! Why does he want to know? I'd be very suspicious of his motives, if I were you...

[Dreadful Scathe]

as there are many other people from a wider ethnic base.

Hey, watch it. Anyway, its probably only the way the trousers are cut.

Well said, Lynn! I've already tried to point all this out to him, but maybe he'll listen to you.

Listen ? Bah, he's got his mind made up and one foot in Belgium already.

[JiveLad]

Well said, Lynn! I've already tried to point all this out to him, but maybe he'll listen to you.


He's already said, he only wants to compare the demographics of different dance forms.

The question you want to be asking is "why?"! Why does he want to know? I'd be very suspicious of his motives, if I were you...

Yes - I read that 'demographic' response. I was wondering what 'action' he would take (ie what he would 'do') as a result of performing this demographic analysis. For example - would he write an article for 'Dance Monthly on the ethnicity of dance forms in the UK (2008)? Would he go to Hyde Park corner and explain the meaning of it to an enthralled audience? Would he look at the under represented ethinc groups and write to them to encourage them to dance? Would he......well........?

[NZ Monkey]

What about White European, North American or Australian?

* hides from forumites from NZ etc*

We're just glad there will still be an Other[read: none of the above, thankfully] box

[martingold]

I dont see white english in the pole or welsh for that matter
As the scots and welsh dont call themselves british why would the english??
(runs for cover )

[David Bailey]

Does it make a difference to your stats whether a person is White - British/English/Welsh/Scottish/N Irish/Irish?

What about White European, North American or Australian?

See, this is why I just wanted to use someone else's definitions.

The problem is, if I use (for example) the US Census ethnic definitions in a survey in (for example) Dance Forums, then how do I reconcile the two different sets of categories? Hmmm.... tricky.

[David Bailey]

Yes - I read that 'demographic' response. I was wondering what 'action' he would take (ie what he would 'do') as a result of performing this demographic analysis. For example - would he write an article for 'Dance Monthly on the ethnicity of dance forms in the UK (2008)?

Pretty much, substitute "my site" for "dance monthly" and you're there.

[David Bailey]

I dont see white english in the pole or welsh for that matter
As the scots and welsh dont call themselves british why would the english??
(runs for cover )

Right.

I'm going to neg rep the next person who has a go at the poll options; we've discussed this more than enough already.

Don't say you've not been warned.

[robd]

Right.

I'm going to neg rep the next person who has a go at the poll options; we've discussed this more than enough already.

Don't say you've not been warned.

Hey RoboMod,

Why is the poll limited to Ceroc Goers? What about those who attend our fine independently organised MJ classes and events?