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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by dave the scaffolder View Post
    This has changed from a personal hygene thread into a scientific analysis of biological and biblical proportions.


    Dave, I'd like to send a big thank you to you for the gentle but important reminder to us all, to keep the forum to it's usual intellectual level!


    Guess what YOU DANCE YOU SWEAT.
    And here ends the thread!

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I really did see this in action. When I was in my early 20s' I went weight training with two friends as part of our Tae Kwon-Do training. My friends lifted massive weights and I lifted light weights and did loads of reps and plenty of stretching. My friends became amazingly strong and got huge muscles. I got thinner and thinner and you could see all my muscles, rather like something from anatomy lessons

    When we sparred my chunky friends were very slow and, basically, rubbish at fist-fighting and kicking. And the bigger they got the slower they went. I think they would have been good at grappling, but they seemed to lose flexibility and agility. On the other hand, I seemed to get faster and more agile. Although I weighed so much less than my muscular friends my blows seemed to bounce off them rather than have much effect.
    I was put on a strength program at my University gym that sounds fairly similar to what you did years ago. I definitely gained muscle and trimed down, and became quite a bit faster in the process. Unfortunately, because I'm very hyperflexible (I never stretch, except before running, and it's never been a problem...)I found that the extra muscle mass on my arms were causing shoulder and elbow injuries during line work due to jarring. I'm sure if I had a specialist trainer we could have designed a program to get around that, but I didn't so I gave it away in the interests of my own health.

    I really enjoy grappling with big guys. We have one brown belt who outweighs me by 40kg and has a talent for technical grappling as well. He has yet to make me tap, but it's very (very...very...) hard going. We've had a few people that size come for a while as well and they always run out of energy extremely quickly if they try to use their strength to overpower you. A few even end up shaking their head in disbelief when they repeatedly "lose" to someone much smaller than them.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget View Post
    (I know that martial artists sometimes break bones because the healed bone is denser than naturally grown bone.. but that's just stupid lengths in my opinion.)
    I think that's more of an urban myth than anything else. I've never heard of anyone going to those extremes, and I've heard of some seriously deranged nutters doing stupid things in the name of training.

    The worst I've seen is people deadening* the nerves in their shins and forearms, which in my opinion is also stupid although not nearly as bad as breaking bones.

    *desensitizing through repeated impact really. I think actually dead nerves would result in something similar to leprosy. Ewwww

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Dave, I'd like to send a big thank you to you for the gentle but important reminder to us all, to keep the forum to it's usual intellectual level!


    And here ends the thread!

    Thank you and Good night!
    Thank you Lorraine. I think it is important that women stick to discussing appropriate subjects, ie kittens and knitting etc.

    Grown up conversation should be left to us chaps.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    Dancing is better at both of those things than lifting weights.
    Ah, but dancing and lifting weights... Or so I've heard

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by NZ Monkey View Post
    I was put on a strength program at my University gym that sounds fairly similar to what you did years ago. I definitely gained muscle and trimed down, and became quite a bit faster in the process. Unfortunately, because I'm very hyperflexible (I never stretch, except before running, and it's never been a problem...)I found that the extra muscle mass on my arms were causing shoulder and elbow injuries during line work due to jarring. I'm sure if I had a specialist trainer we could have designed a program to get around that, but I didn't so I gave it away in the interests of my own health...
    Some of the sports fitness sites recommend strength training three times a week, and lighter aerobic flexibility exercise in between. It appears to me that MJ dancing would be an ideal candidate for that lighter exercise, although I have yet to find a site that says so. One main reason quoted for the flexibility exercise is to reduce the chances of injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by NZ Monkey View Post
    I think that's more of an urban myth than anything else. ...
    Not. Bones that have been broken will be more massive but not necessarily stronger. Regular impact training will cause minor damage to the bones, and the repair processes will make the bones more massive and stronger, fit for purpose.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy Monkey View Post
    I've always understood one of the main causes of cramp to be a lack of minerals in the blood, such as sodium, magnessium or potassium, often caused by dehydration.

    The pain in muscles from overuse, which may be what you're referring to, is due to a build up of hydrogen ions in the form of lactic acid, due to a lack of oxygen getting to the muscle during intense exercise. This is main reason you are advised to cool down after exercise, as continued light work will encourage oxygen into the muscle, helping to remove the lactic acid.
    That's a great detailed explanation.

    I always carry a bag of crisps in case of cramp.
    Quote Originally Posted by stairman View Post
    How else do you deal with muscle cramp's ? If I dont stretch the muscle I am in agony

    I was compressing my thigh with a bandage (the only place i get cramp) which has lead to it being weak. It's a no no according to the physio.

    He recommends stretching excercises.

    Also cold/hot bags you can press on the cramped muscle.
    Quote Originally Posted by HelenB View Post
    I was once told that if you pinch the bit of skin between your big toe and second toe the cramp would dissipate

    I thought it was a load of baloney. Then I tried it once and it did work Really weird

    I can't say I've tried it again though... that's not really that great considering I'm a scientist.... hmmm.... anyone up for a clinical trial
    Yes, I'll try it.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    There's a specific workout that does exactly this...

    You start off with your heaviest weight and do as many as you can, then you take a smaller weight and do the same again and repeat until your at the lightest weight.
    So all we need now is to work out how to apply this to your regular dance class. How about if all the ladies graded themselves according to weight and the guys practiced arials, starting with the heaviest and working down to the lightest.

    Might be a bit of a problem for the smallest ladies though as I guess they would end up being dropped all the time.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    btw this has been a very interesting thread, even though it has strayed pretty far from the original topic! Amazing where you can get to through a series of associations.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brighton Belle View Post
    So all we need now is to work out how to apply this to your regular dance class. How about if all the ladies graded themselves according to weight and the guys practiced arials, starting with the heaviest and working down to the lightest.
    Now this might have been said in jest.... but for the last group routine I did, I had to get the guys up to speed on lifts... so we went down the gym and put the weights on the bar... which corresponded to girls weights..

    so we racked up the bar and called it a girls name - dependant upon weight - and then lifted it in a similar way that the routine demanded.

    It worked, everyone then got stronger and also realised what they needed to do...


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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    Now this might have been said in jest.... but for the last group routine I did, I had to get the guys up to speed on lifts... so we went down the gym and put the weights on the bar... which corresponded to girls weights..

    so we racked up the bar and called it a girls name - dependant upon weight - and then lifted it in a similar way that the routine demanded.

    It worked, everyone then got stronger and also realised what they needed to do...



    But surely lifting a dead weight in the gym isn't the same as lifting a girl in a routine when they will have some momentum? You don't usually take the girl's full weight from a standing start do you?

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brighton Belle View Post
    But surely lifting a dead weight in the gym isn't the same as lifting a girl in a routine when they will have some momentum? You don't usually take the girl's full weight from a standing start do you?
    Sometimes you do... The lift in question is where the girl is already on your shoulders and you have to lift her to full arm stretch above your head.

    So basically you are doing a "shoulder press".

    It was supprising how many "fit looking" guys could not do this.

    There is a difference between "looks" and "body power" - and of course, you can train in the gym for both of these... what we did was "power" excersises.

    In the end we set ourselves a target of 1.5 times the girl we had to lift, we had to dead lift from shoulder to full extention... so when doing the routine.. it was not a strain on the night.

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    That's a great detailed explanation.
    Thanks!

    Did somebody mention rep points…?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brighton Belle View Post
    But surely lifting a dead weight in the gym isn't the same as lifting a girl in a routine when they will have some momentum? You don't usually take the girl's full weight from a standing start do you?
    Generally, if you're lifting a girl from a standing start, she can assist by adding a slight jump, but it does depend on the move. Even from a standing start, there are some lifts that require a lot of strength in the upper body and legs and it's not just the man who has to be strong. A lot of moves require the girl to hold herself rigid or to maneuver around the man's body, so she has to be strong too, particularly in the core muscles.

    I've started training for a competition next year and am shocked at how out of shape I am, so I'm having to work really hard in the gym. Suddenly competing doesn't see like so much fun…

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    Re: Why don't men bring a towel/change of shirt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    Now this might have been said in jest.... but for the last group routine I did, I had to get the guys up to speed on lifts... so we went down the gym and put the weights on the bar... which corresponded to girls weights..

    so we racked up the bar and called it a girls name - dependant upon weight - and then lifted it in a similar way that the routine demanded.
    Were any of the girls called Bertha?

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy Monkey View Post



    Generally, if you're lifting a girl from a standing start, she can assist by adding a slight jump, but it does depend on the move. Even from a standing start, there are some lifts that require a lot of strength in the upper body and legs and it's not just the man who has to be strong. A lot of moves require the girl to hold herself rigid or to maneuver around the man's body, so she has to be strong too, particularly in the core muscles.
    I was discussing this with my son.

    I said that if he was lifting someone who pulled thier stomach muscles in, the person would be lighter than if the person didn't and was a dead weight.

    He maintained that it wouldn't make any difference. He offered to try it out, but I didn't want to do him a serious injury.

    The "Fireman's lift" which would sometimes be a dead weight lift is over the shoulder, I think they bend their knees to lift the person.

    A boyfriend one carried me down the stairs of a tower block (19 floors) with a fireman's lift, just for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    A boyfriend once carried me down the stairs of a tower block (19 floors) with a fireman's lift, just for fun.
    Just for fun? I really want to come to one of your parties...

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    OH I feel all cleansed and back to basic intellect again.

    Well done the lovely gorgeous mods.

    Bet it was my favourite Lory.

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