Should teachers take their bad modes out on dancers

[Minnie M]

...........I'm interested though, does AXXy have other modes ? bad, good, fairy, elephant, tinpot dictator/conservative mp, chicken ?? we should be told

(conservative MP -
Fairy he looks great in a Pink rah rah skirt (got a piccie to prove it too)

Re the good advertising - absolutely - I have never gone to the Worthing venue but will definitely try and get there this Thursday and will try and talk my buddies into coming too

.....NO ONE HAS MADE ANY REMARK ABOUT MY MISS SPELLING OF MOODS........

was it Miss Spelling you were talking about in your first post

[Dreadful Scathe]

was it Miss Spelling you were talking about in your first post

Maybe she was the one who complained. I think Axxy may be more familiar Miss Behave and Miss Cheeky ...er...no that doesn't work

[dave the scaffolder]

We used to have a strict teacher at Stevenage.

A lot of people did not take to him.

Personally I still think he was and is the best teacher I have ever seen.

DTS XXX XX

[David Bailey]

Maybe she was the one who complained. I think Axxy may be more familiar Miss Behave and Miss Cheeky ...er...no that doesn't work

I thought Tessalicious was Miss Spelling.

Mmm.... Tessalicious... strict... headmistress gear... err... where were we?

[Gus]

The Punters are not stupid, they know what is going on and in general it afects all the clubs

Since when?

Maybe it's time to form a alliance of MJ club who all work togther to promote the dance instead of all bitching about eachother and putting people off dancing.

Hmmmm ... now thats NEVER been tried before Call me a cynic, but while the Egos and Wallets of MJ Club owners outweigh their consciences IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Go on ... prove me wrong .... I really wish you would.

[Lee Bartholomew]

Since when?


Hmmmm ... now thats NEVER been tried before Call me a cynic, but while the Egos and Wallets of MJ Club owners outweigh their consciences IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Go on ... prove me wrong .... I really wish you would.

I would be happy to set something like that up. Don't know where to start though.

[Andy McGregor]

Why were these 2 disturbing a beginners class then? or did they just disturb the 2nd class? Are they as arrogant as you make them sound?

This reminds me of another night in another venue, possibly a venue you'd had to use because your usual venue is unavailable.

Picture the scene, two male dancers sitting out the 2nd class in a long, thin venue: both dancers have been dancing for ages - more than 5 years, one of them possibly twice that . Because of the shape of the venue there are two long lines of couples with the stage at one end with teacher and demo. At the other end of the hall the two guys sat out. For a significant part of the lesson those two guys are like Simon Cowel and Piers Morgan in Britain's Got Talent. The demo and teacher get on with the lesson and watch in impotent horror as the "judges" sit there pointing and gesturing towards people doing the lesson and both talking and laughing. Eventually some of the people in the lesson start to feel self-conscious and keep glancing nervously at the, self-appointed, "judges". During the freestyle some of those people in the lesson express their distress to the teacher.

Wind the clock forward to the following week. You're back at your regular venue. What should the teacher do? Is there an option that says "nothing, let those guys have their fun?"

All hypothetical, of course

[David Bailey]

I would be happy to set something like that up. Don't know where to start though.

Well, first you need to change human nature, to make social welfare more important than ego to the average MJ teacher.

Let me know once you've got that sorted, and I'll tell you the next step.

[Lou]

Maybe it's time to form a alliance of MJ club who all work togther to promote the dance instead of all bitching about eachother and putting people off dancing.

What a good idea. I wonder why no one's thought of it before?

Maybe you could then offer additional benefits for members of the "Rebel Alliance"... say something like membership of a recognised dance body - like the United Kingdom Alliance of Professional Teachers of Dance. You know, all your members could get have Public Liability Insurance through that - that'd be a handy incentive for joining.

Ooooh! Ooooh! How about some teacher training and exams - like the CTA? That way, all your members would be recognised as having a high standard of teaching. Another incentive!

Excellent idea. Now what could you call it.....?

[Andy McGregor]

Well, first you need to change human nature, to make social welfare more important than ego to the average MJ teacher.

Let me know once you've got that sorted, and I'll tell you the next step.

Do you remember the days of our youth when we thought that the good guys always won? When we thought everyone was nice and wanted what was best for everyone else? What happened to us? When did we stop believing?

[Andy McGregor]

Re the good advertising - absolutely - I have never gone to the Worthing venue but will definitely try and get there this Thursday and will try and talk my buddies into coming too

It just goes to show that there's no such thing as bad advertising?

And I happen to know that grease has been very active in sending out his first post by email. Although he must have got someone to correct the spelling and punctuation. Maybe more people will read through the lines and go to this class where you get a lesson without interruption. And, maybe, just maybe, those people who don't want a lesson will stay away until the freestyle

Note to legal wizards on the forum. Let's say there were some factual inaccuracies on the malicious email distributed by grease - after all, he's just quoting someone and wasn't actually there himself. Is there some law that's been broken or action that could be taken? Just asking for a friend

[MartinHarper]

(I'm not a lawyer) Andy - my first step would be to contact the person involved in (paper) writing, correcting any factual inaccuracies in their email, and requesting that they make a retraction to the same email list, and this forum, or else provide you with a right of reply on their email list. Ideally you both should be able to settle the matter without recourse to lawyers.

perhaps had he/she chose to go to a tango class instead of a class thats advertised as a social interaction he/ she wouldnt be upset about it being an hour long

I don't see why. There are many people who can best contribute to social interaction by shutting up. Indeed, my friend read a post from such a person yesterday at around 5:46 pm. This is what happened.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

so question what i want to know is :-
If the poster had a bad day because of illness or any other reason, then he should have left it at the front door when he came in, not take it out on the english language and create a bad atmosphere.

[NZ Monkey]

I thought Tessalicious was Miss Spelling.

Mmm.... Tessalicious... strict... headmistress gear... err... where were we?

I don't know about you, but I'm still in a very happy place.....

[David Bailey]

Do you remember the days of our youth when we thought that the good guys always won? When we thought everyone was nice and wanted what was best for everyone else?

Nope. I'm not sure if I ever thought that.

In fact, scarily, I'm more idealistic now than I was as a kid...

Excellent idea. Now what could you call it.....?

Roc-le?
Roc-ky?
Roc Nation?
SmoothRoc?

Gimme a while, I'm sure I'll think of something better...

I don't know about you, but I'm still in a very happy place.....

Me too, it's the only thing that's got me through the day

[Andy McGregor]

Ideally you both should be able to settle the matter without recourse to lawyers.

You are right that recourse to the law should always be the last resort. However, I believe that distribution and discussion of the inaccurate parts of the email will have caused measurable financial damage and caused distress to the teacher. I believe that further communication via email to correct those inaccuracies will only cause more damage and distress and is, therefore, not an option.

So, grease has done harm by distributing malicious falsehood. And he has got away with it because this teacher will get on with his life and put this behind him. But who is the loser in the long run? The sad thing is that, in situations like this, there are no winners

[Dreadful Scathe]

of course we could name and shame grease and the two laughing monkey boys

[Agente Secreto]

A rich seam of discussion.

No doubt that grease's posts deserve the bad rep they have attracted.

I see no place for people chatting at the sides or the ends during the lesson - as someone has said if all you want to do is socialise then come after the lessons. Equally in the lines the teacher needs to find ways of controlling the chat, although expecting silence in the lines is hopeful at best and counter-productive at worst. Some social interaction in the lines is good - you do want people to have fun and its not a military parade after all.

If the venue concerned had a couple plonkers running their own version of 'Sussex's Got Talent' it needed to be stopped, however, I'd suggest that it might have been better to have addressed this immediately after it happened rather than wait a week.

Clearly feelings and attitudes run strong down along the coast.

[Agente Secreto]

of course we could name and shame grease and the two laughing monkey boys

Why bother - I'm sure they'll simply be told not to come back and I doubt thay they (or indeed many of us) would care.

I don't believe this is the place for naming and shaming anyone.

[Andy McGregor]

If the venue concerned had a couple plonkers running their own version of 'Sussex's Got Talent' it needed to be stopped, however, I'd suggest that it might have been better to have addressed this immediately after it happened rather than wait a week.

This is a difficult situation to address from the stage. For a start, the people sat around chatting have, somehow, zoned out the voice of the teacher. Also, it's difficult to talk directly to people who are sat around the sides*. I'm sure the teacher would have had the subtlety to hint to the guys at the time that their actions were inappropriate - however, there is a good chance that the teacher was not heard or was ignored by these thick-skinned indiviuals.

There comes a point where the teacher needs to stop trying to address the judges at the sides/back, get on with delivering the lesson and resolve to make sure the same performance is not repeated in the future.

*As we witnessed the following week. When you do talk directly to the people around the sides/back of the hall, even lumping them all together in a group, there is a chance that one of them will talk back!

[Andy McGregor]

Why bother - I'm sure they'll simply be told not to come back and I doubt thay they (or indeed many of us) would care.

I know for certain that this teacher is bigger than all that. I'm pretty sure that, let's call them "Simon & Piers", will be allowed back to the venue for the freestyle. IMHO the only grounds for banning people from your classes are safety* - if a dancer is dangerous or starts picking fights

However, I'm also sure that "Simon & Piers" will not be upsetting dancers in the class and forming a judging panel in the future as a small and scary mouse has been recruited as a bouncer



*I have had to make one exception to this rule. I'm not even going to post about it on here except to say it's for her own safety as I think she would be tarred and feathered by a small, normally calm and pretty, but scary when roused, woman if she ever appeared again at our classes