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    Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Which is more important?

    For me, genius, consists of 99% intelligence and 1% knowledge.

    Afterall what's the point of knowing stuff if you're only going to utilise it in a way that's just a copy of something done before. Is this the thought process that has meant that I've never read a single book (bar Fighting Fantasy books). Am I now just rambling...

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    I've never read a single book

    I would have never guessed...

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Caro View Post
    I would have never guessed...
    Intelligence is required here.

    Moreover a little maturity.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    It would probably be sensible to define intelligence and knowledge - I'm not convinced the two constructs are particularly independent. Thus to have one, one necessarily has a reasonable degree of the other.

    In my experience - and in this particular area, I have a fair bit of experience - intelligence is fairly hard to define in any sensible way that's independent of some context. Intelligence then collapses into a specific form of knowledge.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Can anyone define the two terms?

    Are they independant?

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Given you asked the question, it suggests you have a definition. That you're not prepared to provide anything resembling a definition suggests it's either implied. Implied definitions are typically both fluid and self-serving. It is curious that you consider intelligence more valuable than knowledge (and imply independence of the two ideas) at the same time as proudly stating you've never read a book...

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Where does "common sense" come into the equation? I hold common sense in higher esteem than intelligence and knowledge (in most cases )

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Intelligence is required here.

    Moreover a little maturity.
    Perhaps you're on the wrong forum?

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Good sense is never common.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    For me, genius, consists of 99% intelligence and 1% knowledge.
    Are you suggesting that this is how the seeds of your own genius were sown?

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    Perhaps you're on the wrong forum?
    Nah as we all know steven we know he is on the right one

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by geoff332 View Post
    Given you asked the question, it suggests you have a definition. That you're not prepared to provide anything resembling a definition suggests it's either implied. Implied definitions are typically both fluid and self-serving. It is curious that you consider intelligence more valuable than knowledge (and imply independence of the two ideas) at the same time as proudly stating you've never read a book...
    Yet assuming I never read would be so wrong. That sentence, although true, strays from the truth in reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~*~Saligal~*~ View Post
    Where does "common sense" come into the equation? I hold common sense in higher esteem than intelligence and knowledge (in most cases )
    Restates the question : IMO Regurgitation Vs Nous.

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    Perhaps you're on the wrong forum?
    Yet you know me. So is knowledge therefore better then in your view?

    Quote Originally Posted by geoff332 View Post
    Good sense is never common.
    Quite right!

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    Are you suggesting that this is how the seeds of your own genius were sown?
    Does anyone here actually know me well enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    Nah as we all know steven we know he is on the right one
    Lol.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Which is more important?
    It depends. It's all relative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    For me, genius, consists of 99% intelligence and 1% knowledge.
    This might be the case and if you need someone to cure cancer or alzheimer's then intelligence is very important.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Afterall what's the point of knowing stuff if you're only going to utilise it in a way that's just a copy of something done before. Is this the thought process that has meant that I've never read a single book (bar Fighting Fantasy books). Am I now just rambling...
    Here lies the problem. IMO some intelligent people are great for solving problems but they usually have little social skills or etiquette, so being intelligent isn't important if...oh I dunno...you wanna get laid, for example.

    I would say common sense, knowledge and a personality are just as important as intelligence to ensure emptying your nuts occasionally.

    See...it's all relative.

    EDIT: By the way...never read a book? You can borrow a few of my kids school books to get you started if you like.
    Last edited by Double Trouble; 1st-July-2008 at 09:18 AM.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Which is more important?

    For me, genius, consists of 99% intelligence and 1% knowledge.
    Intelligence is vastly more useful when backed up by knowledge. All the "geniuses" I've met have also been immensely knowledgeable (by common-or-garden standards, at any rate).

    Afterall what's the point of knowing stuff if you're only going to utilise it in a way that's just a copy of something done before.
    Nearly all advances are "just copies" of something that's been done before. Not exact copies of course. But you take something that's known in one area and realise you can improve it to solve a more difficult problem, or adapt it to solve a problem in a different area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isaac Newton
    If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.
    Quote Originally Posted by Polya (author of "How to Solve It")
    Consider your problem from various sides and seek contacts with your formerly acquired knowledge.
    A quite extreme example of the importance of knowledge is Andrew Wiles' proof of FLT. The problem itself is simple: "Prove that x^n+y^n=z^n has no positive integer solutions where n > 2". And yet I did Part III at Cambridge (post-grad qual in maths), including all the number theory courses, and looking at the first page of Wiles' proof, I understand barely one in five of the constructs mentioned in the introduction. Wiles needed very deep knowledge of several branches of pure mathematics in order to put everything together to prove FLT.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    I would say common sense, knowledge and a personality are just as important as intelligence to ensure emptying your nuts occasionally.
    There was a program on that last night. Given the right tricks, apparantly, any nerd can bed anyone they want.

    EDIT: By the way...never read a book? You can borrow a few of my kids school books to get you started if you like.
    I've read a lot over nearly 27 years. Though none through books. I just don't see the interest in them. Pop up books are fun though. Have you got some of those?
    Last edited by Steven666; 1st-July-2008 at 09:37 AM.

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    S666, I know you have just neg-repped me again and I know that you now have to wait at least two days before doing it again giving me plenty of time to bait you some more. Is this intelligent behaviour?

    It's amazing how how incredibly similar to the early Woodface you are proving to be - didn't he start a thread on knowledge vs intelligence at one point too?

    edit: actually, I started this thread but it was based on something in WF's sig

    double edit: the link I posted is actually about imagination and knowledge not intelligence and knowledge - clearly I was lacking a bit of intelligence on the last edit
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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Which is more important?

    For me, genius, consists of 99% intelligence and 1% knowledge.

    Afterall what's the point of knowing stuff if you're only going to utilise it in a way that's just a copy of something done before. Is this the thought process that has meant that I've never read a single book (bar Fighting Fantasy books). Am I now just rambling...
    Having one without the other is not going to do you much good IMO. It’d just be frustrating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    This might be the case and if you need someone to cure cancer or alzheimer's then intelligence is very important.
    Again, having one without the other is not going to get you a cure for anything. You’d have to have the knowledge about the disease and the human body, then the intelligence to apply that knowledge to find a cure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    I would say common sense, knowledge and a personality are just as important as intelligence
    (Judiciously edited first!)

    Quote Originally Posted by David Franklin View Post
    Intelligence is vastly more useful when backed up by knowledge. All the "geniuses" I've met have also been immensely knowledgeable (by common-or-garden standards, at any rate).


    Quote Originally Posted by ~*~Saligal~*~ View Post
    Where does "common sense" come into the equation? I hold common sense in higher esteem than intelligence and knowledge (in most cases )
    And having worked for several years at universities, I can vouch for the lack of common sense inherent in many academics… I don’t think they’d survive in the real world

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    I don’t think they’d survive in the real world
    Is that where the "real" men & women live?

    Forget knowledge & intelligence, Steven666 - you should be aiming for wisdom!

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    - you should be aiming for wisdom!
    Knowledge is the fuel, intelligence is the engine, high levels of both equal wisdom.

    Common sense is just wisdom in context.

    Phew, I'm feeling profound this morning. Must need a dance!

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    Re: Knowledge Vs Intelligence

    Quote Originally Posted by geoff332 View Post
    It would probably be sensible to define intelligence and knowledge - I'm not convinced the two constructs are particularly independent. Thus to have one, one necessarily has a reasonable degree of the other.

    In my experience - and in this particular area, I have a fair bit of experience - intelligence is fairly hard to define in any sensible way that's independent of some context. Intelligence then collapses into a specific form of knowledge.


    Can we actually define them ?

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