View Poll Results: Who is to blame?

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  • Kevin the Klutz

    5 35.71%
  • Norman the Numpty

    7 50.00%
  • Ian the Intermediate

    4 28.57%
  • Terry the Teacher

    6 42.86%
  • Vinny the Venue Manager

    3 21.43%
  • Ceroc for STILL teaching the semi-C

    3 21.43%
  • All the above

    3 21.43%
  • None ... its life, get over it!

    2 14.29%
  • Please define a mini aerial ......

    1 7.14%
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Thread: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

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    Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    OK ... following scenario is based on real life events, only the names have been changed to protect the numpties ...

    Its Saturday night at the freestyle. Holding court at the back is Norman the Numptie. Norman regards himself as a God of Dance because he has been to a workshop today on "Damned Cool Moves that WILL get you Laid" taught by Kevin the Klutz ... and is now performing these to awe all and sundry. Part of the workshop covered mini-aerials and deep drops. The workshop he attended didn't actually get round to discussing the safety aspects, when you should/shouldn't use these moves, use in interpreting the music or in fact anything pertaining to actually dancing ... just how to throw a woman into these moves.

    Into the mix comes Ian the Improver, enthusiastic but only dancing a while .. but is suitably impressed by Norman's moves. Seeing a chance to increase his ego, Norman now 'teaches' Ian some of the moves ... despite the fact he can't actually do these. Terry the Teacher sees what going on and tells them to desist as they are going to hurt themselves and other dancers.

    However, as soon as Terry goes back to dancing Norman continues. Terry sees whats going on but chooses to ignore it as he can't think what else to do to stop them. The Vinny the Venue Manager is blissfully unaware of all this, counting the takings for the night.

    The inevitable happens .... Ian executes one of these moves badly sending his unfortunate partner crashing into another female dancer, taking her down and badly twisting her ankle. So ... who is to blame?

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post

    The inevitable happens .... Ian executes one of these moves badly sending his unfortunate partner crashing into another female dancer, taking her down and badly twisting her ankle. So ... who is to blame?
    Should the partner who chose to follow the unsuitable moves also be on the list of possible blamees?

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    I blame the parents.

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by jivecat View Post
    Should the partner who chose to follow the unsuitable moves also be on the list of possible blamees?
    I'm sure a friendly mod could add ... also I think that Andy McG should also appear on the list ... MUST be some reason that he can be blamed for it all

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    I blame the parents.
    I blame the government!
    Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    I'm sure a friendly mod could add ... also I think that Andy McG should also appear on the list ... MUST be some reason that he can be blamed for it all
    I live in constant fear of this. It's called a crime of omission. I omitted to use every possible communication method to tell all of them that they were all wrong.

    Of course the scenario could happen to any of us. I put in my Terms and Conditions that people must not coach on the dance floor. Also that they shouldn't do lift, drops or wear yellow as it makes them look washed out

    But, no matter what you say or do there will always be the odd nutter. That's why we all have insurance.


    Don't we?

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Who is to blame?
    Morally? Nobody. It's an accident, in an activity that has some physical risk. It wasn't inevitable. The risks were obvious, and people made an informed decision that the benefits outweighed the risks.

    Legally? Ask a lawyer. Probably whoever has the most insurance.

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    Morally? Nobody. It's an accident, in an activity that has some physical risk. It wasn't inevitable. The risks were obvious, and people made an informed decision that the benefits outweighed the risks.

    Legally? Ask a lawyer. Probably whoever has the most insurance.



    and is a very good reason for not having insurance

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by straycat View Post
    I blame the parents.
    I blame the Russians.

    Seriously, it's simpllistic to point a finger at one person and say "You're it!"

    The responsibility lies with everyone involved - everyone at the venue. Obviously, those most involved (the two couples, the venue managers, crew etc.) have most responsibility, but any attempt to define actual allocation of exact percentages of responsibility is ridiculous. Assuming no-one's committed a crime, then there's no point in forensic examination, unless there's some systemic failure involved.

    Assuming the injury is healed and any damages paid, then the most constuctive approach is to examine the system not the people.

    So, you could check things like whether appropriate warnings were given at the workshop and the venue. But identifying "blame"? Why?

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    Morally? Nobody. It's an accident, in an activity that has some physical risk. It wasn't inevitable. The risks were obvious, and people made an informed decision that the benefits outweighed the risks..
    Hmmm ... yup, its an accident ... the same way that its an accident when a drunk driver who hasn't bothered to take a driving lesson crashes into your car

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    The man. Always blame the man. That's what men are for, surely?

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Hmmm ... yup, its an accident ... the same way that its an accident when a drunk driver who hasn't bothered to take a driving lesson crashes into your car
    Actually it's an accident in the same way that it's an accident when a herd of unicorn gets lost in the savannah and gets eaten by a hungry pride of lions.

    Yeay - my analogy makes less sense than yours!

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus View Post
    Hmmm ... yup, its an accident ... the same way that its an accident when a drunk driver who hasn't bothered to take a driving lesson crashes into your car
    Is Gus saying that we should take special driving lessons while drunk to improve our drunken driving? Is the driving lesson a bit of a red herring?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    Actually it's an accident in the same way that it's an accident when a herd of unicorn gets lost in the savannah and gets eaten by a hungry pride of lions.
    This is not an accident. Lions eat things all the time. Maybe that's what caused the extinction of unicorns. Thankfully there's still plenty of fairies.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    Yeay - my analogy makes less sense than yours!
    Wrong. Nobody on here makes less sense than Gus. You can't be reading it properly - adding a mythical beast you your analogy isn't the way to make less sense than Gus. The only way to make less sense than Gus is to take Class A drugs for many years - at least until you think you are a drunken unicorn who, having had no driving lessons, goes for a drive and then crashes into someone's car.

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    I blame the government!
    I blame the blame culture we so warmly integrated into our society.

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    I blame the popular R&B artist, Gaelle.... if the Westies hadn't all flooded in when the DJ played Give It Back there would have been more room for Ian the Improver to practice The Numpty Jump.

    That Gaelle has a LOT to answer for, and I just hope that she can live with that poor woman's twisted ankle on her conscious - a little bit of fame and they all forget where they came from! They're all the feckin same. Never mind giving you back your heart and soul, how about giving back that woman's ability to walk unaided. Honestly; hanging is too good for them types.

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by StokeBloke View Post
    I blame the popular R&B artist, Gaelle.... if the Westies hadn't all flooded in when the DJ played Give It Back there would have been more room for Ian the Improver to practice The Numpty Jump.
    If it's true maybe Ian was just showing some lyrical musicality

    I'm falling in circles
    Can't catch my fall

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    I don't blame myself, "honest" I wasn't there.

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    I blame all the violence on Tv. And Dep!

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    OK, it was me! I confess! It was all my fault!

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    Re: Who is responsible for injuries through poor teaching

    So, did he get laid, then?

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