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    Re: Dance Teacher Qualifications (again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Ceroc specifically do NOT allow you to work for someone else, whether you are a Ceroc teacher or a DJ. There may be exceptions with "permission" but i dont know
    That applies to while they are still employed by Ceroc.

    I was referring to the hairdressing comparison where in house training is viewed as preferable by other employers other than those the person was trained with. Therefore to apply that comparison to CTA it would need to be extended to teachers leaving Ceroc and seeking employment elsewhere.

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    Re: Dance Teacher Qualifications (again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    Ahh, another person who is going. I'm really looking forward to this. Shall we start a "Who is going to La Palma?" thread?
    Nooo! I'm not going, but wish I was! Bad enough knowing I'm not going to be there in the sunshine and what looks like a fabby hotel without knowing about all the lovely dancers I will miss out on dancing with.

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    Re:Dance teacher qualifications

    As far as I am aware, there are no penalties for labelling yourself after the job you do. Someone who builds things can be called a builder. Someone who sells things can be called a salesman. Someone who preaches can be called a preacher. Someone who drives can be called a driver. So anyone who teaches can be called a teacher.

    Qualifications are one method of working out how you can tell the 'value' of the work that person does. They rely on you trusting the qualifying body and the 'value' that they put on their accreditation.
    If you trust and value the UKA's input into MJ and value the LeRoc Federation's adherence to the UKA's guidelines, then you will value that qualification. If you trust and value the Ceroc empire's input into MJ, then you will value their qualifications.

    There are other methods of working out the 'value' of the work a person does - most common are recommendations and prior experience. Would you employ a tradesman that was recommended over one that proudly displayed qualifications? Would you use a tradesman that you used before if they did a good job?

    Qualifications are unnecessary to do a job: the ability to do the job is what is important. Qualifications just act as proof that you can do the job. If you have proof from other sources, (eg recommendations and personal experience), then who do you need to prove it to?

    In terms of qualifications for a dance teacher, they are important if you want to market yourself as 'better' than the next dance teacher. They are important if you want to show that you follow the structure of the dance body you qualify under.

    (BTW, what is the dance structure of the UKA? From my limited experience it's badges and medals on a plastic plaque for kids. I'm confused how this applies to MJ?)

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    Re: Dance Teacher Qualifications (again)

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    i think this has been happening quite a lot lately
    Then maybe people will train with Ceroc, serve out their time with a couple of years with them, then seek to set up their own nights or work for someone else.

    If CTA is seen as a recognised qualification across the MJ world then this would be a reasonable career route for an aspiring teacher to pursue.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget View Post
    (BTW, what is the dance structure of the UKA? From my limited experience it's badges and medals on a plastic plaque for kids. I'm confused how this applies to MJ?)
    You can look at the UKA website for their structure. They are a massive organisation with many, many times the number of teachers that Ceroc have.

    On the subject of badges, I have one badge from the UKA. It's metal and enamelled. It's quite a heavy thing and I've never worn it - it did not come with a plastic plaque. However, I did get a plastic plaque for my ballroom medals from the IDTA. The UKA applies to MJ because it certifies MJ teachers - the fact the UKA also certify and give medals to children is something they also do but is a spurious fact spewed out by Gadget. This means Gadget is wrong again. Nothing new

    I'm confused about why Gadget is confused. But a most of his posts make little sense to me so there's nothing new to report on the Andy vs Gadget axis.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget View Post
    Qualifications are unnecessary to do a job: the ability to do the job is what is important. Qualifications just act as proof that you can do the job. If you have proof from other sources, (eg recommendations and personal experience), then who do you need to prove it to?
    There are many jobs where qualifications are essential. Surgeon for instance - qualifications and the passing of examinations is an essential part of the pathway to becoming a surgeon. There's loads more jobs where it is essential to be qualified = but most readers of the forum are intelligent enough to know them already.

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    Re: Bridging the gap from Beginner to Intermediate.

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    i tend to disagree
    The CTA training is really rather strict i know a few people (who fit the ceroc look) who are great dancers but failed the ceroc teacher exam
    I also know a couple of people who are fab teachers, dancers, respected by people at their venue but who werent accepted on the CTA course because they didn't fit the look - bit off topic there.

    Oops should have read the full thread before posting!
    I do also know of one teacher in ceroc who's a shocker at teaching but being used because of his reputation - he's not gone through CTA yet, but didn't know about associate teachers so maybe that's how he's still teaching.
    Last edited by emmylou25; 20th-November-2008 at 03:21 PM.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    You can look at the UKA website for their structure.
    I have - the site's rubbish:
    http://www.ukadance.co.uk/

    Blimey, Andy, yours is better than that. Not exactly encouraging for a "massive national organisation"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    They are a massive organisation with many, many times the number of teachers that Ceroc have.
    If you say so - God knows you couldn't get that from the site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    On the subject of badges, I have one badge from the UKA. It's metal and enamelled. It's quite a heavy thing and I've never worn it - it did not come with a plastic plaque.
    I love this award - it's almost worth trying to join just for that...
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    Re: Bridging the gap from Beginner to Intermediate.

    Quote Originally Posted by emmylou25 View Post
    I also know a couple of people who are fab teachers, dancers, respected by people at their venue but who werent accepted on the CTA course because they didn't fit the look - bit off topic there.
    To be fair, whilst I know the "look" thing was a big factor a while back, I don't think it's quite so important nowdays.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    There are many jobs where qualifications are essential. Surgeon for instance - qualifications and the passing of examinations is an essential part of the pathway to becoming a surgeon. There's loads more jobs where it is essential to be qualified = but most readers of the forum are intelligent enough to know them already.
    Qualifications are just bits of paper – they can't do surgery.

    A surgeon with experience and ability is what really matters.
    Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    ... a spurious fact spewed out by Gadget. This means Gadget is wrong again.
    Spurious facts are still facts – how does that make Gadget wrong??
    Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    I did get a plastic plaque for my ballroom medals from the IDTA.
    That's odd, I got a wooden one from the IDTA for my Latin American and Freestyle medals

    Love the teddy trophy - wonder what it's for?

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Fi View Post
    ]Love the teddy trophy - wonder what it's for?
    Me too - and who cares? I want one.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Fi View Post

    Love the teddy trophy - wonder what it's for?
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Me too - and who cares?
    So it's not a care bear then?

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Fi View Post
    That's odd, I got a wooden one from the IDTA for my Latin American and Freestyle medals

    Love the teddy trophy - wonder what it's for?
    I did my medals in the eighties. Plastic was trendy in those days. It was black plastic. I don't think I've kept it but probably have the medals in a carrier bag in the loft.

    And I want the teddy trophy too. I think I can probably buy one as a UKA teacher. Perhaps we should have a Forum competition and award one of the teddys as a prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Qualifications are just bits of paper – they can't do surgery.

    A surgeon with experience and ability is what really matters.
    You aren't permitted to do the surgery without the bits of paper. So they really do matter.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by ducasi View Post
    Spurious facts are still facts – how does that make Gadget wrong??
    Because his point is unsupported. The facts that he's given have nothing to do with the argument.

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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy McGregor View Post
    And I want the teddy trophy too. I think I can probably buy one as a UKA teacher.
    You know I've always really admired you Andy.

    And you're gorgeous.


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    Re: Dance teacher qualifications

    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    You know I've always really admired you Andy.

    And you're gorgeous.

    Please don't tell them how good I am at kissing

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    Re: Dance Teacher Qualifications (again)

    I know this is very late in the thread to add something new, but it’s one of the disadvantages of living at GMT+12 when an interesting thread starts.

    When I think about which teachers have really inspired me in MJ I’m quite certain none of them have CTA training, and I’m fairly sure they don’t have any other formal training either. For examples I’m thinking the likes of Amir (who was rejected for CTA training!), Simon and Nicole and Nigel and Nina. Although I’ve never actually seen David and Lily teach, I’d be surprised to find they have it themselves.

    Those names are just limiting it to the UK as well. Australia has produced a range of very inspiring and able(if usually less well known on this forum…for obvious reasons) teachers without having a formal national certificate or training program in any of the MJ companies that I’m aware of. Similarly, we have excellent teachers here in Auckland who have never seen a teachers training program.

    Similarly, there are no formal martial arts teaching courses that I’m aware of in this country – yet somehow excellent teachers still seem to crop up on a regular basis.

    Granted, I’ve met a few really bad teachers who didn’t have any training as well, but I can also say the same for those who have completed CTA training. I’ve not seen anyone who I knew had LeRoc training teach so I can’t really comment on that front.

    I sometimes wonder if the teaching qualification debate is something of a storm in a tea-cup. MJ clearly doesn’t require the same kind of intensive study and practice that surgery does, and the stakes are considerably lower. In fact it’s deliberately marketed as not requiring these things. Similarly, unless you ignore a very small number of simple safety rules, you’re unlikely to ruin someone’s finances or put a company into receivership if you do a poor job. I think natural teaching talent is more important in this case to be perfectly honest.

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