Absolutely right. Some time ago Ceroc started using "Associate Teachers". I saw this as a way to employ less attractive teachers without compromising the strict beauty requirements of Ceroc. And then I realised my theory was rubbish - when Dan Hudson passed his audition
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My perception of the UKA is that it is an organistion run by its members for its members. For instance a member trains a candidate and has a big say on whether they pass. It seems to me that it is made up of lots of specialist sections and people are trained just for one section. This compares to say the ISDT where it appears to me that the training and assessment is far greater and more far reaching.Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
one Modern Jive teaching qualification LeRoc Federation as part of the UKA
Is that not the acid test regarding a training regime. If it produces teachers that are generally fit for the purpose it is designed to do then the qualification that goes with it whether nationally recognised or not will be respected.Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
Martin wrong.....as it's only a technicality. As far as I know Ceroc teachers hold no nationally recognised qualifications. However, Ceroc teachers are well trained and would, almost certainly, pass the exam if they were to take it.
I think that there are people that are trained in house by the larger accountancy firms without a national qualification that do just as good a job in the area trained in as someone extenally trained.Originally Posted by Andy McGregor
Looking at the accountancy exmple .....nationally recognised exams?
In addition there there are grades of accountancy qualification that show that a person has reached a certain standard in a particular area. Just like Ceroc and the UKA compared to the ISDT.
On the "in house training v external/independant qualification" bit, I remember talking to a hairdresser while getting my hair done the other month.
Apparently there's two main ways to be qualified as a hair stylist - through the colleges (externally/independant qualification) or through the big salons, your Toni and Guys etc (in house training).
Apparently the consensus in the industry is that the college quals are effectively useless, and lots of places will not hire you if you hold them. Instead they want you to have those in house training options.
Guess it just depends on the industry you work in. So if the quality of the CTA "qual" is good enough, it'll be rated sufficiently in the "absence" of alternatives
(I'm of course waiting for a forumite hairdresser to come on and tell me my hair dressing example is nonsense - I'm just reciting what the girl told me. Anyway I stand by the conclusion from it )
To me you are spot on again, as all your posts seem to be.
I think that what you say is right for any practical vocation, relevant training by a business at the sharp end or on the job training are nearly always going to be the most relevant.
Thats why I think that Ceroc or UKA training works. In many respects independance is a bit of a red herring.
My daughter is currently going through an in-house training scheme with a hairdresser - we had heard the same about college qualifications and were delighted when she chose to work train with a salon. However, that scheme is externally assessed to gain your nationlly recognised hairdressing qualifications.
No such external evaluation exists for Ceroc training.
You can only be independent if you have something to be independent from. Dance schools are big or small. The smallest is not "independent" from the biggest. It's just a smaller school - it could even provide better training.
If you consider regular schools, there is an independent sector and there is a state sector. There is no such thing with dance schools as there is no state sector in the teaching of MJ.
There is also nothing to stop a Ceroc teacher doing the UKA exam through the LeRoc Federation. Although their contract with Ceroc might stop them teaching for any other company.
Why would they want to? I know this is lighting a HUGE touchpaper .... but none of the LeRoc instructors in the N West come anywhere near the Ceroc instructors (IMHO). Would it be fair comment to say that the CTA still havbe a real edge over the LeRoc training?
PS: I'm NOT questioning your teaching ability Andy (I look forward to seeing you teach first hand in La Palma before I would be so bold ) ....
That would be an interesting comparison if people went to Ceroc to train and then sought employment outside of Ceroc - if CTA is regarded as the best training by all of the MJ industry.
However I don't get the impression that this is what Ceroc want to project - it seems the CTA is to train people to work for Ceroc - not train with Ceroc then go and work for someone else.
Ceroc specifically do NOT allow you to work for someone else, whether you are a Ceroc teacher or a DJ. There may be exceptions with "permission" but i dont know
Trampy was the first to announce this 2 years ago
...of course you can resign (which is a strange thing to have to do if you are effectively a "freelance" teacher - are you "delisted" as a ceroc teacher ? "banned" ?)
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