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    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    I'm outing myself.
    For BlazeII and BlazeIII, I booked a 2m+2f caravan.
    At the time of booking I had no idea who I would be sharing with.

    I do not believe I broke the law.
    Now prove me wrong, either morally or criminally.
    So did you get 2 sexy young girls - did ya, did ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    No, I wasn't thinking of you Rocky.

    Right on two counts, but wrong on the other - one needs to look at ALL the evidence... Short, Fat, Limp, Pervy and Penny Pinching... Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Let me guess.. is it a little fat bloke with a limp?
    I'm thinking... "A limp what? "

    As he feels the need to perve over ladies.. I'm assuming it's not his wrist ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Short, Fat, Limp, Pervy and Penny Pinching... Hmmm...
    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    I'm thinking... "A limp what? "
    Nope....as much as you try and convince me with your accuracy, is't still not you.

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    It would be great on a weekender if I could pay for someone to sleep for me not with me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiky Steve View Post
    It would be great on a weekender if I could pay for someone to sleep for me not with me
    and of course there is also toilet breaks, if that could be done for you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    and of course there is also toilet breaks, if that could be done for you...
    Now that's just taking the p1ss
    Last edited by Gojive; 28th-May-2008 at 02:59 PM. Reason: anti-censor move

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    from accusations of criminal to complete silence.
    Did I break the law or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    from accusations of criminal to complete silence.
    Did I break the law or not?
    OK, I've had a chance to look this up.

    The answer is in the Price Indications (Resale of Tickets) Regulations 1994.

    The practice of reselling tickets in the course of a business is controlled by the Regulations, which were made under the Consumer Protection Act of 1987.

    They make it unlawful to sell tickets in the course of a business without giving full details of the original ticket - price, terms and conditions, restrictions etc etc - so that if (an example given in the OFT web site) you are offered a Rod Stewart ticket for £359 you can decide whether you really want to pay over £300 above the face-value. (There's a school of thought that says if you are seriously thinking about going to a Rod Stewart concert, the arithmetic is probably beyond you in any case; naturally I would not subscribe to that view.)

    So Martin's plan in the original post would have been criminal, but what you did would not.

    1. There will, of course, be arguments as to whether the reselling was 'in the course of business'; arguably if it is done more than a couple of times you're in the firing line; if no profit is made, that would weigh against a 'business' interpretation.

    2. There are separate and more restrictive rules about reselling football tickets, which I haven't looked up.

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    Thanks Barry,
    Now I'm going to book another 2+2 for BlazeIV.
    That takes me to more than a couple of times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    So Martin's plan in the original post would have been criminal, but what you did would not.
    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    Thanks Barry,
    Now I'm going to book another 2+2 for BlazeIV.
    That takes me to more than a couple of times.
    But does it matter if the tickets are resold at more than face value or not? If Dep merely secure the caravan then sells the tickets on at face value and makes people share with him, would that be legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    looking at threads and requests for girl tickets for weekenders.... do you think there could be a black market opertunity here...

    Buy up 20 girl tickets,,,,

    Sell them close to the event, at a profit, when all the last minute girls want to go?

    just a thought...

    Does anyone know anyone who has EVER sold a weekender ticket at a profit, no names of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    But does it matter if the tickets are resold at more than face value or not? If Dep merely secure the caravan then sells the tickets on at face value and makes people share with him, would that be legal?
    What do you mean "makes"?
    I was of the opinion they volunteered.
    Ah, maybe that is what Martin was on about "Sex Slaves"

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38 View Post
    Does anyone know anyone who has EVER sold a weekender ticket at a profit, no names of course
    we're all too close to each other in this big happy family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38 View Post
    Does anyone know anyone who has EVER sold a weekender ticket at a profit, no names of course
    In the sense that people buy tickets, then sell them on for the same price but without the accommodation element - this forum is full of them.

    The fair price would take into account that the seller gets more chalet space and someone else gets less. Looking at JA's price list, this would amount to £10-30 off each ticket's face value, with the buyer nominally distributing this amongst the people they end up sharing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirly View Post
    But does it matter if the tickets are resold at more than face value or not? If Dep merely secure the caravan then sells the tickets on at face value and makes people share with him, would that be legal?
    Probably, yes.

    If he's reselling the tickets at the price for which he purchased them, it's unlikely to be 'in the course of business', isn't it? Not impossible, but unlikely. Plus other circumstances - such as sharing the chalet with the purchasers - would also undermine it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstMove View Post

    In the sense that people buy tickets, then sell them on for the same price but without the accommodation element - this forum is full of them.
    I think though, especially at this late stage, that its simply cos people can't go, have a spare ticket, but their chalet mates don't want to share with a random stranger.

    I know certainly when we had a spare ticket due to someone not able to go my first approach was to see if any friends wanted to take the place and share with us. The 'ticket without accomodation' was a second choice rather than share with a random stranger - though in the end we sorted it out directly with JA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    OK, I've had a chance to look this up.

    The answer is in the Price Indications (Resale of Tickets) Regulations 1994.

    The practice of reselling tickets in the course of a business is controlled by the Regulations, which were made under the Consumer Protection Act of 1987.

    They make it unlawful to sell tickets in the course of a business without giving full details of the original ticket - price, terms and conditions, restrictions etc etc - so that if (an example given in the OFT web site) you are offered a Rod Stewart ticket for £359 you can decide whether you really want to pay over £300 above the face-value. (There's a school of thought that says if you are seriously thinking about going to a Rod Stewart concert, the arithmetic is probably beyond you in any case; naturally I would not subscribe to that view.)

    So Martin's plan in the original post would have been criminal, but what you did would not.

    1. There will, of course, be arguments as to whether the reselling was 'in the course of business'; arguably if it is done more than a couple of times you're in the firing line; if no profit is made, that would weigh against a 'business' interpretation.

    2. There are separate and more restrictive rules about reselling football tickets, which I haven't looked up.

    From what you have said above, it would not be criminal if one declared the original price and then went on to sell at a higher price - as in your Rod Stewart example.

    So therefore in this case my original "plan" or as I put it "Just a thought...." it would be legal, as long as the original price was declared etc.

    I know a friend of mine bought 2 tickets for him and me to go to the rugby world cup final in 2003 on ebay - as it was the only way we were going to get tickets... I am hoping that was legal, we were aware the original ticket price was less than what we had to pay to get a place in the stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    From what you have said above, it would not be criminal if one declared the original price and then went on to sell at a higher price - as in your Rod Stewart example.

    So therefore in this case my original "plan" or as I put it "Just a thought...." it would be legal, as long as the original price was declared etc.

    I know a friend of mine bought 2 tickets for him and me to go to the rugby world cup final in 2003 on ebay - as it was the only way we were going to get tickets... I am hoping that was legal, we were aware the original ticket price was less than what we had to pay to get a place in the stands.
    Buying the tickets isn't an offence in any event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Buying the tickets isn't an offence in any event.

    That is good to know.

    From what you have said so far, selling them, at a profit, as long as you declare fully the original price and conditions also is not an offence, or have I missed something?

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