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    Musical Interpretations ...

    As musicality is a recurring topic thought start a thread to get some practical ideas.

    Suggest a format:

    > name a track and singer
    > the time in song where an interpretation might be nice
    > what might be leadable, rockstep, double roll, slide etc

    EG

    >Sun Goes Down by David Jordan
    >Every 7&8 beat in the choruses. These is a very heavy & beat, so get three strong beats in rapid succession every 6/7 seconds.


    > ideas:
    Can always lead short moves and get returns to finish on 6. As open at arms length let the follower decide an interpretation for 2 beats.
    Some followers may freeze on this or just walk forward.

    Perhaps try a rock step. More controlled if in first move hold, than rocking away from each other.

    I could not think of a way to ensure could do an accent for most of the 7&8's. The above is limited to getting in the positions, which is hard every 7 seconds.

    Over to your suggested solutions, and songs.

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    Re: Musical Interpretations ...

    Make it up as you go along.

    Don't plan for it.

    That is all.

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    Re: Musical Interpretations ...

    I do make it up and improvise, it is good to have other peoples ideas too.

    As an alternative to specific songs, what do people do to emphasize the end of a 32 beat phrase. Most people have good ideas for breaks, but the music may not do that. A lean or dip might be good for some but not all.

    You competition entrants should have some tips!!

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    Re: Musical Interpretations ...

    Quote Originally Posted by tanjive View Post
    As musicality is a recurring topic thought start a thread to get some practical ideas.

    Suggest a format:

    > name a track and singer
    > the time in song where an interpretation might be nice
    > what might be leadable, rockstep, double roll, slide etc

    EG

    >Sun Goes Down by David Jordan
    >Every 7&8 beat in the choruses. These is a very heavy & beat, so get three strong beats in rapid succession every 6/7 seconds.


    > ideas:
    Can always lead short moves and get returns to finish on 6. As open at arms length let the follower decide an interpretation for 2 beats.
    Some followers may freeze on this or just walk forward.

    Perhaps try a rock step. More controlled if in first move hold, than rocking away from each other.

    I could not think of a way to ensure could do an accent for most of the 7&8's. The above is limited to getting in the positions, which is hard every 7 seconds.

    Over to your suggested solutions, and songs.
    Biggest challenge in my opinion is expressing the lyrics rather than the music....music can 99% of the time be predicted in terms of structure, accents,breaks etc....check this clip out of a couple competing in a WCS strictly swing comp....neither are regular partners...things to look for are when the artist sings

    slide on over here baby and sit yourself down in my car.........
    got to be a movie star!
    you got to sit yourself down

    all pretty simply done but very effective....economy of effort, lots of skill....the song in the track is Cause i love you baby by mike morgan and the crawl

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    Re: Musical Interpretations ...

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    Biggest challenge in my opinion is expressing the lyrics rather than the music....music can 99% of the time be predicted in terms of structure, accents,breaks etc....check this clip out of a couple competing in a WCS strictly swing comp....neither are regular partners...things to look for are when the artist sings

    slide on over here baby and sit yourself down in my car.........
    got to be a movie star!
    you got to sit yourself down

    all pretty simply done but very effective....economy of effort, lots of skill....the song in the track is Cause i love you baby by mike morgan and the crawl
    oops...the link would help! lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    Biggest challenge in my opinion is expressing the lyrics rather than the music....music can 99% of the time be predicted in terms of structure, accents,breaks etc....check this clip out of a couple competing in a WCS strictly swing comp....neither are regular partners...things to look for are when the artist sings

    slide on over here baby and sit yourself down in my car.........
    got to be a movie star!
    you got to sit yourself down
    Jon Brett sometimes played "Revenge" at Ealing.

    When the singer (Brook Benton?) got to the part where he sings "I'm going to get down on my Knees and pray", one lead actually got down on one knee during the dance.

    Now that's what I call musical interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanjive View Post
    >Sun Goes Down by David Jordan
    >Every 7&8 beat in the choruses. These is a very heavy & beat, so get three strong beats in rapid succession every 6/7 seconds.
    The first time I heard this track I liked the strong beats and was thinking 'could do something with that' but by the end even of the first listening I was getting a bit bored with them. Just a bit too much IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by tanjive View Post
    I could not think of a way to ensure could do an accent for most of the 7&8's. The above is limited to getting in the positions, which is hard every 7 seconds.
    Better to just pick a few and highlight them. Yes, the music should drive the dance, but we don't need to be a slave to musical interpretation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Now that's what I call musical interpretation.
    I'd call it 'lyrical interpretation'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post

    I'd call it 'lyrical interpretation'.
    - the new buzz word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    Biggest challenge in my opinion is expressing the lyrics rather than the music....music can 99% of the time be predicted in terms of structure, accents,breaks etc....check this clip out of a couple competing in a WCS strictly swing comp....neither are regular partners...things to look for are when the artist sings

    slide on over here baby and sit yourself down in my car.........
    got to be a movie star!
    you got to sit yourself down

    all pretty simply done but very effective....economy of effort, lots of skill....the song in the track is Cause i love you baby by mike morgan and the crawl
    Genuine musicality and lyricality are more about responding than predicting, although the latter has its part to play. I tend to prefer the expression knowing to predicting You'll see she starts sitting plenty after its been sang so it looks like genuine responding and not cheating; as much as I like lyricality, you can argue many will just remember a few key bits they can do again and again! Often because the key part is in the middle of the lyric, theres time to put it in and it look great throughout the rest of the line. The movie star bit I'm not sure, this could be predicted with simple rhyming songs and "shes got to be a movie ...". If you're on the ball it should definitely be possible! But to be fair its more likely they've heard it a fair few times before anyway With me being so into music and not as much into lyrics, I'm probably going to struggle with this because I don't tend to listen to them all that much! Although I'm sure I'll cheat with the odd remembered one occasionally

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    Genuine musicality and lyricality are more about responding than predicting, although the latter has its part to play. I tend to prefer the expression knowing to predicting You'll see she starts sitting plenty after its been sang so it looks like genuine responding and not cheating; as much as I like lyricality, you can argue many will just remember a few key bits they can do again and again! Often because the key part is in the middle of the lyric, theres time to put it in and it look great throughout the rest of the line. The movie star bit I'm not sure, this could be predicted with simple rhyming songs and "shes got to be a movie ...". If you're on the ball it should definitely be possible! But to be fair its more likely they've heard it a fair few times before anyway With me being so into music and not as much into lyrics, I'm probably going to struggle with this because I don't tend to listen to them all that much! Although I'm sure I'll cheat with the odd remembered one occasionally
    Also i do think with more and more contempory music being danced to especially in WCS that is IMHO lacking musical originality, the way the lyrics are expressed in dance is quite often the difference between the good and the very good! I think the great thing i love about wcs and ceroc is the constant musical challenges that they represent, people are dancing to such a variety of stuff it never gets boring IMHO.....

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    Re: Musical Interpretations ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    Make it up as you go along.

    Don't plan for it.
    So have you ever made up something memorable to the music that you would like to share with the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    So have you ever made up something memorable to the music that you would like to share with the thread?
    To the "when we kiss" lyric during "Fire" - I have been kissed.

    I think there's another song also where I sometimes get a kiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post

    I think there's another song also where I sometimes get a kiss.
    It's "Somewhere beyond the sea" - Frank Sinatra

    "We'll kiss just as before"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    To the "when we kiss" lyric during "Fire" - I have been kissed.

    I think there's another song also where I sometimes get a kiss.
    I'm gonna sit right down and write myself a letter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    I think there's another song also where I sometimes get a kiss.
    Kiss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver View Post
    I'm gonna sit right down and write myself a letter?
    I'm sure that's a song lyric.......
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTramp View Post
    Kiss?
    Yes please, my Prince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    I'd call it 'lyrical interpretation'.
    I like to have fun with the lyrics, for example in "Straight to number 1".

    I also find lyrics can be off-putting.

    With the track "It's too late to apologise" which has been played a lot locally, I find the lyrics a real downer, and I have to block out the lyrics to stop myself feeling sad.
    On the up side, it makes me focus more on just the music and the dancing itself, so I always have a good dance when it comes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    With the track "It's too late to apologise" which has been played a lot locally, I find the lyrics a real downer, and I have to block out the lyrics to stop myself feeling sad.
    Sometimes it can be pleasant to share a feeling of sadness in a dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    I like to have fun with the lyrics, for example in "Straight to number 1".

    I also find lyrics can be off-putting.

    With the track "It's too late to apologise" which has been played a lot locally, I find the lyrics a real downer, and I have to block out the lyrics to stop myself feeling sad.
    On the up side, it makes me focus more on just the music and the dancing itself, so I always have a good dance when it comes on.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    Sometimes it can be pleasant to share a feeling of sadness in a dance.
    I love "Mack The Knife", but hate the lyrics.

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    Re: Musical Interpretations ...

    Quote Originally Posted by tanjive View Post
    As musicality is a recurring topic thought start a thread to get some practical ideas.

    ...
    Over to your suggested solutions, and songs.
    I can understand this if you are planning a showcase but not if you are social dancing! But your request for our suggestions makes me think you do mean social freestyle dancing, in which case, I can cite ChrisB with...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    Genuine musicality and lyricality are more about responding than predicting
    ...otherwise its not "freestyle" is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinHarper View Post
    So have you ever made up something memorable to the music that you would like to share with the thread?
    Why the "So"? He maybe doesn't, but there's nothing negative about that - apologies if you never meant that to sound negative. What you did on a break may have been brilliant at the time, but if you are not planning a showcase why would you remember how you danced in one of the many dances you do on a dance night?
    Of course, this is a personal thing - i have in the past, when asked during a dance what it was i just did, replied quite honestly, "i have no idea" and no, I couldn't "do it again"

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