Is there any point in consulting experts?

[philsmove]

Is there any point in consulting experts?
Or even appointing them in first place

BBC NEWS | Politics | Cannabis laws to be strengthened

Despite the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs' review - commissioned by Gordon Brown - saying the drug should stay as class C

The home secretary Jacqui Smith has said cannabis is to be reclassified as a class B drug

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) is an independent expert body that advises government on drug related issues in the UK. It was established under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 and its current Chair is Professor Sir Michael Rawlins.
Appointments to ACMD ,are ordinarily made by the Home Secretary

[martingold]

There is no such thing as an expert in any field you can only know what you have experienced or learned and no one can learn everything about anything if you get my point

Anyway

Definition of an expert
Ex= has been and SPURT a drip under pressure

[Dreadful Scathe]

Is there any point in consulting experts?

Of course there is - occasionaly they give the government the answer they want, and the few times they don't, the government can go ahead anyway having at least achieved consultation

[ducasi]

There is no such thing as an expert in any field you can only know what you have experienced or learned and no one can learn everything about anything if you get my point

Anyway

Definition of an expert
Ex= has been and SPURT a drip under pressure

I take it you're an expert on experts?

[DavidY]

But also these experts were only looking at a limited field - from that story:

The advisory council did not look at the message conveyed to the public or the impact on policing, which it is not legally obliged to do.

I believe that the Police are pretty keen to support the Home Secretary in changing the classification - and they're pretty expert too.

[Barry Shnikov]

But also these experts were only looking at a limited field - from that story:I believe that the Police are pretty keen to support the Home Secretary in changing the classification - and they're pretty expert too.

You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't...

[martingold]

You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't...

Are you sure?
personally i think the best way to address social problems we face today is to increase the visible police presence on the street, give them the power to clip little johnny round the ear (not necessarily literally), give schools the power to punish little johnny and not be taken to court by parasitical solicitors (also stop the parasites in this suing culture that we are developing in this country which of course is just a by product) and to make parents responsible for the actions of little johnny even when he is out of their sight (by the way for johnny you can also read jane)

[Dreadful Scathe]

Are you sure?

Why? Did you not think he sounded sure?

personally i think the best way to address social problems we face today is to increase the visible police presence on the street, give them the power to clip little johnny round the ear (not necessarily literally), give schools the power to punish little johnny and not be taken to court by parasitical solicitors (also stop the parasites in this suing culture that we are developing in this country which of course is just a by product) and to make parents responsible for the actions of little johnny even when he is out of their sight (by the way for johnny you can also read jane)

Police and Schools have lost all ability to discipline, which isn't that big a deal...as long as parents are there to pick up the discipline themselves. In most of the cases you see in the media, they're not managing this. So kids drag themselves up, join like minded kids in gangs and stamp their authority over as much as they can; "you can't tell me what to do etc..." with no consequences - why would we expect anything else?

[martingold]

Police and Schools have lost all ability to discipline, which isn't that big a deal...as long as parents are there to pick up the discipline themselves. In most of the cases you see in the media, they're not managing this. So kids drag themselves up, join like minded kids in gangs and stamp their authority over as much as they can; "you can't tell me what to do etc..." with no consequences - why would we expect anything else?

I could not agree more and as i said in my post the only way to deal with this is by legislation ie giving the police and schools the power to discipline as the parents of the kids we see in the media and on our streets (we get some in the street that we live in playing football in the middle of the road,and smashing fences etc deliberately holding up traffic we live on a fairly busy road)

[philsmove]

But also these experts were only looking at a limited field - from that story:I believe that the Police are pretty keen to support the Home Secretary in changing the classification - and they're pretty expert too.

Interesting as one of of the coucils members is Simon Bray Commander in the Metropolitan Police and currently oversees the policing of 10 south London boroughs.

[Stuart]

I was told once that an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know an awful lot about nothing.

[~*~Saligal~*~]

If the government are paying the "experts" for the advise, just so that they can tick the box that says they covered their butts - then I find it difficult to believe the advise. Most times they pay to get the advise they want that supports their view. Quite similar to the drug companies when they promote a new drug.

[Dreadful Scathe]

If the government are paying the "experts" for the advise, just so that they can tick the box that says they covered their butts - then I find it difficult to believe the advise. Most times they pay to get the advise they want that supports their view. Quite similar to the drug companies when they promote a new drug.

you have a blind spot for "advice"

[Barry Shnikov]

Are you sure?
personally i think the best way to address social problems we face today is to increase the visible police presence on the street, give them the power to clip little johnny round the ear (not necessarily literally)

Well, the police had that power and they abused it.

For instance, placing plastic bags over suspects faces until they pass out and then getting them to sign confessions. Yes, that happened within these shores of good ol' Blighty, not just in Myanmar.

There may be lots of admirable policemen and women but there are some bad 'uns as well.

[stewart38]

You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't address social problems with law and order policies.
You can't...

Agree

Legalise all drugs

[martingold]

There may be lots of admirable policemen and women but there are some bad 'uns as well.

as in all walks of life