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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    Well, that's obviously not the fault of Germans - they are the natural inheritors of the earth, right? So - um - it must a conspiracy. And who are the worst conspirators? Right! The jews. So it's an international Jewish conspiracy. Hey - who's in charge of the United States? Roosevelt! That's a jewish name, isn't it? And who are the most powerful men in the US - Rothschild. He's a jew. And there's a Rothschild in France - brother, isn't he? Or cousin? So there are your jews. Obvious, isn't it?
    Hitler was of course a First World War Hero

    Hugo Gutmann a Jew signed Hitlers citation re the Iron Cross First class

    If anyone interested came across 4 short (150 pages each) lovely summaries re WW2 and interesting read re Hitlers time in WW1

    Cant find any books re why the germans put the towels out first

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    Cant find any books re why the germans put the towels out first
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    I wouldn't bother reading Mein Kampf - as a work of political philosophy it sucks, and as a good read it sucks the big one.

    The way to look at it is this.
    Or perhaps Astro could read it and make up her own mind about the way to look at it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Feet View Post
    Or perhaps Astro could read it and make up her own mind about the way to look at it?
    in a young moment of exploratory zeal I did try to read "Meine Kampf". I took it out of the Croydon Library at the same time as "Das Kapital".

    I found both books unreadable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    The way to look at it is this. The Nationalist Socialist Party was two things, really. (It wasn't socialist, so that's one thing.) First, it was a political movement aimed at reversing the humiliating treatment Germany received in the Treaty of Versailles. Germany lost some of its great cities, huge swathes of land (Alsace-Lorraine), was only allowed piffling armed forces, couldn't manufacturer armaments.
    The harsh reparations meted out by the Allies after the WW1 are often deemed largely to blame for helping Hitler to gain power politically. Plus there was massive inflation. You needed a suitacase full of bank notes just to buy a loaf of bread.

    Second, the party 'inherited' the simple (not to say, empty)-minded racism and prejudice of the working class Bavarians from which it emerged.
    The Austrians are more racist than the Germans on the whole. My friend has been to Vienna a few times recently and says there is a sinister under current. Depending on the time, sometimes Bavaria is Austrian , sometimes German. When Hitler was born it was German.
    Germany, of course, was a proud and mighty nation, which was prevented from taking its rightful seat in the global halls of power by the defeats of WW1. Well, that's obviously not the fault of Germans - they are the natural inheritors of the earth, right? So - um - it must a conspiracy. And who are the worst conspirators? Right! The jews. So it's an international Jewish conspiracy. Hey - who's in charge of the United States? Roosevelt! That's a jewish name, isn't it? And who are the most powerful men in the US - Rothschild. He's a jew. And there's a Rothschild in France - brother, isn't he? Or cousin? So there are your jews. Obvious, isn't it?
    Ironically Hitler had some Jewish blood.[quote]

    It's important to remember, that from 1941 onwards, the English had detailed reports of the death camps, but the Foreign Office - well known for being anti-Semitic - prefered to call them attrocity stories.

    10,000 Jews were dying every day, but still the Allies hesitated about bombing the gas chambers at the death camps on the grounds that it would endanger the lives of too many aircrew.

    So the first element is missing from the political philosophy of all current Swastika-wielding simpletons, but the second element is most definitely there. But the main reason, I believe, that these nitwits openly espouse Hitler and Nazism is that they really want to plss off ordinary people.
    No, they want power because they feel so worthless.
    Anyone who is racist really hates themselves, can't face up to it, so must belittle others so that they feel "bigger"
    All unconcious, of course.

    In the papers today - Bush, presently in Israel, has accused Osama Barack of being a Hitler appeaser, because he want to talk to the Palestinians with a view to peace.

    All this stuff is still relavant today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    ... It's important to remember, that from 1941 onwards, the English had detailed reports of the death camps, but the Foreign Office - well known for being anti-Semitic - prefered to call them attrocity stories...
    They were atrocity stories, along with thousands of other atrocity stories. They happened, as did many others, to have a basis in fact.

    The number of Jews dying per day is irrelevant in the decision about bombing. If the actual number was N the number of people dying in the war each day would be N + a big number. Every day the war could be shortened would save N + a bi number. It was the air-forces job to shorten the war.

    Bombing was not accurate enough just to hit gas chambers, even if they could be reliably identified. Bombing Jews in concentration camps would not have been a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38 View Post
    Hitler was of course a First World War Hero

    Hugo Gutmann a Jew signed Hitlers citation re the Iron Cross First class
    Churchill was a war hero too. Wonder who would have won if they had slugged it out in a room somewhere?

    Cant find any books re why the germans put the towels out first
    It's obviously one German who collects the towels the night before, gets up early and bags all the sun loungers for the whole German group.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Feet View Post
    Or perhaps Astro could read it and make up her own mind about the way to look at it?
    The only reason I would read it is because it's important to "know thine enemy".
    I agree with Stewart on that one.
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver View Post
    Bombing was not accurate enough just to hit gas chambers, even if they could be reliably identified. Bombing Jews in concentration camps would not have been a good idea.
    With today's technology, the Stealth Seeker bombs are not accurate.

    Was the old "bombs away" using natural eyesight more accurate?

    What are your views on Bomber Harris bigdjiver?
    Was he too over zealous?

    Oh yes, and what about the bombing of Coventry?
    Was Coventry sacrificed to hide the fact from the Germans that Britain had broken the German "morse" code?
    Last edited by Astro; 16th-May-2008 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Churchill was a war hero too. Wonder who would have won if they had slugged it out in a room somewhere?
    You're obsessed with this. It would be a draw, ok

    It's obviously one German who collects the towels the night before, gets up early and bags all the sun loungers for the whole German group.
    Well, if Im there - I go out early and remove all the towels and stack them neatly on a table at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38 View Post
    If you asked some Sun readers the percentage of non whites there are the uk, they would say 70%
    Statistics here...

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html

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    ... and seriously, how on earth could a bunch of tossers like the BNP be doing British politics any good? It's a no brainer.

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    Re: BNP good or bad for British Poltics ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juju View Post
    ... and seriously, how on earth could a bunch of tossers like the BNP be doing British politics any good? It's a no brainer.
    no it isn't or we wouldn't have this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    Well, if Im there - I go out early and remove all the towels and stack them neatly on a table at the end.
    Now that is a great idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Feet View Post
    Or perhaps Astro could read it and make up her own mind about the way to look at it?
    It's just a suggestion, I haven't burnt all the copies!

    Anyone who thinks the suggestion is worthless can ignore it, can't they?

    I also read The Prince and started on Das Kapital and couldn't stomach them either.

    Oo, I just spotted. My phrase 'The way to look at it' doesn't refer to Mein Kampf; it refers to queries about the relationship between German Nazis and modern neo Nazis. I'm pretty sure that wasn't covered in Mein Kampf
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdjiver View Post
    They were atrocity stories, along with thousands of other atrocity stories. They happened, as did many others, to have a basis in fact.

    The number of Jews dying per day is irrelevant in the decision about bombing. If the actual number was N the number of people dying in the war each day would be N + a big number. Every day the war could be shortened would save N + a bi number. It was the air-forces job to shorten the war.

    Bombing was not accurate enough just to hit gas chambers, even if they could be reliably identified. Bombing Jews in concentration camps would not have been a good idea.
    Well, I should think that the most important reason was that the camps were on the far side of Germany, and many in Poland and other further east countries. We couldn't reach them in 1941, let alone bomb them. When longer range bombing became more practical, the problem of fighter cover still caused problems until the introduction of the longer range Mustang in 1944. Without fighter cover, bombers were just picked off as they lumbered through the sky like great cows while Me110s and FW190s zipped about slashing them to bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    The only reason I would read it is because it's important to "know thine enemy".
    I agree with Stewart on that one.
    No, that's not necessary. God, that would mean you'd have to read all of L.Ron Hubbard's garbage in order to know whether he was a super-intelligent prophet of the future or a money-chasing bad tempered frockwit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    Was the old "bombs away" using natural eyesight more accurate?

    What are your views on Bomber Harris bigdjiver?
    Was he too over zealous?

    Oh yes, and what about the bombing of Coventry?
    Was Coventry sacrificed to hide the fact from the Germans that Britain had broken the German "morse" code?
    In WW2 the allies dropped 'dumb bombs'. The bomb-aimer (bombardier in B-17s) had to allow for altitude, speed and prevailing winds when computing the release point of the bombs. But they were aiming at cities, or at least large areas of cities - 'the docks', 'a rail depot', or similar. No way they could have relied on hitting buildings, except by attempting to obliterate the whole area around them.

    Something like a Mosquito could be used for close-range bombing (and were used in that way) for something like an individual train. Even so, they would usually use rockets, allowing them to attack without the requirement to over-fly the target. But Mosquitos operational range certainly wouldn't allow them to attack the extermination camps.

    In my view the allied bombing of non-military targets was immoral and indefensible. The loss of life and limb and the destruction wrought was out of all proportion to the contribution to the war effort. Bomber Harris was adamant that area bombing diverted German resources away from fighting and contributed to the destruction of civilian morale and so was therefore justified He was wrong. There was no significant interruption of resources and the Nazi party did not depend on the morale of the german people. Also, the London blitz did not noticeably result in people saying 'Oh, let's give in, they're being really horrible to us.'

    If Coventry was sacrifice to protect the Enigma secrets of Bletchley Park, it was a perfectly legitimate strategic decision and I expect the person who made it thought about the dead and wounded of Coventry every day for the rest of his life.

    Bear in mind that the Enigma transmissions revealed information that shortened the war. We would have won anyway; once we had access to US resources and the Russians counter-attacked, Germany had lost. But in the meantime there were U-boats to stop, surface raiders to sink, North Africa to win, Europe to invade (as far as Stalin was concerned, D-Day was a diversion to take German troops from the Eastern front so that General Zhukov would get to Berlin more easily and quickly) and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    In my view the allied bombing of non-military targets was immoral and indefensible.
    What always interested me, assuming its not a complete myth, was the apparant agreement between Britain and Germany that if we didn't bomb their fancy historical buildings they wouldn't bomb ours. Such caring for bits of stone almost brings a tear to the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    What always interested me, assuming its not a complete myth, was the apparant agreement between Britain and Germany that if we didn't bomb their fancy historical buildings they wouldn't bomb ours. Such caring for bits of stone almost brings a tear to the eye.
    Britain 'accidently' bomb berlin cira may 1940

    Hitler had no intension of bombing cities before that he wanted still to make peace with Britain

    It saved our nation

    Before that Hitler was just bombing airplanes/runways etc and we were very close to being thrashed and an invasion would have followed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    What always interested me, assuming its not a complete myth, was the apparant agreement between Britain and Germany that if we didn't bomb their fancy historical buildings they wouldn't bomb ours. Such caring for bits of stone almost brings a tear to the eye.
    Quote Originally Posted by stewart38 View Post
    Britain 'accidently' bomb berlin cira may 1940

    Hitler had no intension of bombing cities before that he wanted still to make peace with Britain

    It saved our nation

    Before that Hitler was just bombing airplanes/runways etc and we were very close to being thrashed and an invasion would have followed
    Nearing the end of the war Hitler ordered that beautiful Paris be bombed and obliterated.

    The German Officer given the job, disobeyed orders and didn't bomb Paris.

    I'm sure he survived punishment, as Hitler shot himself soon after.

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