BNP good or bad for British Poltics ?

[Beowulf]

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out"

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

"And if you tolerate this
Then your children will be next"

Manic Street Preachers

[Gus]

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out"

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

Very true ... but if no action is taken, how long before Great Britain is just a vague memory and the brain/wealth drain has eroded the fundamentals of this country? Ever wondered why the majority of emigrates are educated professionals?

I'm NOT saying that the core problem is immigration, but there is a fair old chance it is part of the problem.

[Barry Shnikov]

I'm NOT saying that the core problem is immigration, but there is a fair old chance it is part of the problem.

Well, to speak equally vaguely, there's a fair old chance it isn't.

The task is to examine the evidence and determine whether it is. (Er, together with what problem, exactly...)

Immigrants have been blamed for every type of ill that has befallen countries for at least the last 1000 years. Why should anything change just because WE'RE ALL BETTER EDUCATED THAN PEOPLE WERE THEN?

"Prejudice!! Give it a try. It's so much easier than thinking."

[Gus]

"Prejudice!! Give it a try. It's so much easier than thinking."

So .... are you saying that anyone who has an issue with the 'British way of life' being compromised by having to accomodate immigrants, rather than immigrants adopting the 'British way of life' don't think?

[Dreadful Scathe]

Well, to speak equally vaguely, there's a fair old chance it isn't.

To be fair to Gus that seemed to me to be more of a Devils Advocate post rather than a prejudiced opinion. If Gus is a raving bigot I'm sure he'll correct me here I don't think its much of a stretch to say that immigration introduces tension and social problems - there have been riots to prove that it IS at least part of the problem. But it could be that its not immigration as such but immigration policy that is at fault i.e. putting all immigrants in the one location and causing a social rift. But I have read that in many cases immigrants from the same country/culture request areas where there are other people "like them" - which is always going to be a risky social concept when they are next to people who are NOT "like them" and were "here first" - not rocket science really..er..apart from the "light touchpaper , stand back, watch it explode" concept

The task is to examine the evidence and determine whether it is. (Er, together with what problem, exactly...)

Very true - but its a complicated subject and I'd consider moving from "prejudice" to a final destination of "sheer speculation" a win for this forum

Immigrants have been blamed for every type of ill that has befallen countries for at least the last 1000 years. Why should anything change just because WE'RE ALL BETTER EDUCATED THAN PEOPLE WERE THEN?

aah, but are the immigrants. Oooh topical

[Gav]

Not to mention that extremists tend to all vote, whereas over 50% of the rest of the country can't be bothered.

That's why there was a 20% higher turn out to vote for the London Mayor this year.

It's an improvement I suppose. The turnout may have been 20% up on last year, but it was still only 45% of those entitled to vote.

In Australia it is compulsory to vote.

I think you'll find it is in the UK too, but it's not enforced.

[Dreadful Scathe]

I think you'll find it is in the UK too, but it's not enforced.

It's hardly compulsory then is it

[Barry Shnikov]

So .... are you saying that anyone who has an issue with the 'British way of life' being compromised by having to accomodate immigrants, rather than immigrants adopting the 'British way of life' don't think?

My post answered yours, Gus, but it was only the first bit which directly responded to what you had written.

The 'British way of life' has changed far, far more because of what 'british' people have wanted and abandoned in the last 50 years than anything that has happened as a result of 'immigration'. That's pretty obvious, isn't it?

[Astro]

I think you'll find it is in the UK too, but it's not enforced.

It's hardly compulsory then is it

There is a fine of £1000 for not registering to vote.

Then it's up to you if you trot along to the polling station or not.

[Astro]

To be fair to Gus that seemed to me to be more of a Devils Advocate post rather than a prejudiced opinion. If Gus is a raving bigot I'm sure he'll correct me here I don't think its much of a stretch to say that immigration introduces tension and social problems - there have been riots to prove that it IS at least part of the problem. But it could be that its not immigration as such but immigration policy that is at fault i.e. putting all immigrants in the one location and causing a social rift. But I have read that in many cases immigrants from the same country/culture request areas where there are other people "like them" -

Yeah as protection against racist violence and murder.

There are compounds holding Romanians in the UK.
They are not allowed to leave untill they have been to court and are allowed to stay. Or have been to court and are deported.

Know anything about this Barry?

Possibly because Romania has never been a British colony.

[Dreadful Scathe]

There is a fine of £1000 for not registering to vote.

There is I had no idea...i've not always been registered to vote - i moved house so many times in one period i was never registered to vote for about 10 years.

[stewart38]

My post answered yours, Gus, but it was only the first bit which directly responded to what you had written.

The 'British way of life' has changed far, far more because of what 'british' people have wanted and abandoned in the last 50 years than anything that has happened as a result of 'immigration'. That's pretty obvious, isn't it?

whats obvious ?

Look at Slough/Leicester in the last 50yrs what changes have occurred and why ?two paragraphs will do.

Of course the Poles came to Slough in the 1930s and the Romans to london 2000yrs ago

To 'pretend' migration has very little impact on the social fabric is facile

There is a big difference between

50yrs ago I could leave my front door open ,now I Cant because of them to

whole areas are basically non white exclusion zones, not at the request of those who had a 'British way of life'

[stewart38]

whole areas are basically non white exclusion zones, not at the request of those who had a 'British way of life'

For the record I favour some imigration (they can pay my future pension) and Im aware of the economic benefits they bring

The above comment was a bit OTT but I still feel parties like BNP can bring the discussion to the front so at least we could have facts and disprove comments such as

'If your a illegal immigrant you will get free housing before some little white old age pensioner who thought in the War'

I read somewhere over 40% of the Poles go back to Poland within 2yrs ?

[ducasi]

All these bloody immigrants! It shouldn't be allowed! We get many more and I'm leaving the country!

[Astro]

There is I had no idea...i've not always been registered to vote - i moved house so many times in one period i was never registered to vote for about 10 years.

Maybe it's different in Scotland?

In England, they are not that interested in whether you vote (unlike Ausralia, according to Martin).

The main reason they want you to register on the Electoral Roll is to get your details.

If you are sick of companies getting you name and address from the electoral roll and trying to sell you stuff, you can now choose to go on a non public list that only the council has access to.

50yrs ago I could leave my front door open ,now I Cant because of them

You're looking good for your age.

[Astro]

No one will sit next to Richard Barnbrook at City Hall, he has to sit at a desk in the corner. (like a naughty school boy)

Jeanette Arnold who got a massive majority in the North East Constituancy of London,(my representative) says she feels emotionally uncomfortable around him.

Even I would, and I'm not a black woman.

Boris has not offered Ken a job for all his talk, but Ken is going to sit in on meeting as a member of the public.

He doesn't intend to interupt.

[Missy D]

Is there a difference between the National Front and the BNP?

Oh and what ever happened to Enoch Powell?

[StokeBloke]

Is there a difference between the National Front and the BNP?

Oh and what ever happened to Enoch Powell?

Similar to the IRA and Sein Fein I think ..

Ohh and don't forget about Combat 18 (the 'doing' end of the BNP) - bit of Right Wing trivia for you, the 18 in the name 'Combat 18' comes from the 1st and 8th letter of the alphabet, A,H in honour of Adolf Hitler. Who as you all know was a charming lad until he fell in with the wrong crowd.

[bigdjiver]

Very true ... but if no action is taken, how long before Great Britain is just a vague memory and the brain/wealth drain has eroded the fundamentals of this country? Ever wondered why the majority of emigrates are educated professionals? ...

Assuming that statistic is right, many of the countries our citizens emigrate to have selective immigration policies.

Immigrants tend to be from the higher social strata too. They also bring a vast amount of knowledge of the world with them, and are heavily involved in export/import. They contribute. A trip down our local Midland Road has, within 200 yards, Phillipino, Carribean, Chinese, Polish, Italian, Indian, Pakistani, Turkish, Irish and even British businesses.

[stewart38]

No one will sit next to Richard Barnbrook at City Hall, he has to sit at a desk in the corner. (like a naughty school boy)

Jeanette Arnold who got a massive majority in the North East Constituancy of London,(my representative) says she feels emotionally uncomfortable around him.

Even I would, and I'm not a black woman.

Boris has not offered Ken a job for all his talk, but Ken is going to sit in on meeting as a member of the public.

He doesn't intend to interupt.

To get electable BNP have had to moderate their stance

The fact is they have a member elected because 5% or more of people voted for them

To ignore them is stupid or childish

Engaged them I would have thought be better