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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    I believe dance comps should have purely objective criteria for categorisation of dancers, criteria that can easily be verified should the need arise. In reality, this pretty much limits it to past performance in competitions and whether or not you are a teacher/professional.

    I started a thread around this area after the Champs last year.

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart M View Post
    Yes, but I'm thinking along the lines that getting a gong that just says "you're an Advanced dancer", and being introduced as such on stage, because you placed in an Intermediate competition. It would be embarrassing for people everyone knew should have been doing the Advanced, whilst it would still be a thrill for a 'real' Intermediate.

    Not that I care that much, really.
    aah yes, i see what you mean. "This couple are now offically advanced" would probably work well

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    It probably makes sense on psychadellic monkey world boyo, but not here
    Hey - don't go insulting psychedelic monkeys, or as soon as I escape their world I'll send them up to Scotland after you.

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Just a quick Follow up to this...

    I've had a message that the guy that won the Intermediate in Blackpool had won the Intermediate in CEROC in 2005 and came 3rd in the Advanced at CEROC in 2006.. So Maybe Phil & Yuko can give up teaching for a month and compete in the Intermediate category too!!

    As for the rest of us - why bother??

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    Just a quick Follow up to this...

    I've had a message that the guy that won the Intermediate in Blackpool had won the Intermediate in CEROC in 2005 and came 3rd in the Advanced at CEROC in 2006.. So Maybe Phil & Yuko can give up teaching for a month and compete in the Intermediate category too!!

    As for the rest of us - why bother??
    but if he's not breaking C2D's rules it's not relevant. He should be ever so slightly ridiculed at for competing in intermediate after being placed at advanced though.

    What have Phil & Yuko not teaching got to do with it ? They're still teachers and can't enter intermediate due to C2D's rules

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Just a quicky...
    matthew Was aloud to enter the intermediate category, he had never won at this level in our comp. Next year he will move up to advanced due to natual progression.
    As am independent comp we cannot look at the likes of Ceroc to see who are winners, we only look at our own comp.





    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    Just a quick Follow up to this...

    I've had a message that the guy that won the Intermediate in Blackpool had won the Intermediate in CEROC in 2005 and came 3rd in the Advanced at CEROC in 2006.. So Maybe Phil & Yuko can give up teaching for a month and compete in the Intermediate category too!!

    As for the rest of us - why bother??

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    I've had a message that the guy that won the Intermediate in Blackpool had won the Intermediate in CEROC in 2005 and came 3rd in the Advanced at CEROC in 2006..
    He used to compete with a different partner, and as a partnership they were definitley advanced. However his new partner had only been dancing for a few months, and as a partnership they were at an intermediate level.

    It is a partner dance. We judge the partnership, not the individuals.

    Also you can tell from the scores that it wasn't a unanimous decision from the judges. (The judges placed each couple, and the places were translated to points. So the bigger the difference in points the more unanimous decision amongst the judges. They won by 12 points, whereas the largest winning margin was 21 points in the aerials)

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Fair answers from everyone it must be said...

    But I can't help thinking it just doesn't feel right!

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Well our comp felt right for 1100 people this year, everyone knows that our comp is fair, its not always accommodating for everyone but we try.



    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    Fair answers from everyone it must be said...

    But I can't help thinking it just doesn't feel right!

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    No offence - But I'm not the only person who feels that if someone has competed and been successful at the equivalent or higher level then it doesn't feel right when they compete again at the Introductory level...

    There are quite a lot of Posts on this...

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    No offence - But I'm not the only person who feels that if someone has competed and been successful at the equivalent or higher level then it doesn't feel right when they compete again at the Introductory level...

    There are quite a lot of Posts on this...

    Ok. So let take Ceroc Midlands 1st comp.
    I was'nt there but i have been told that competitor level was not as high as ours, Britrock, ceroc Champs ect.
    Do we and others make the intermediate winner who were not up against the level of competitor that they would have been ot the others comps go into the advanced?????

    Is that fair???

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    I personally don't have a problem with an "advanced" dancer, partnered with an "intermediate" dancer, competing in the Intermediate competition. (Otherwise I'd have ended up floundering in the Advanced competition.)

    I do object to advanced couple being in intermediate, but I have come to accept that it is inevitable.

    To win at intermediate, you need to be good enough to compete at advanced.
    Let your mind go and your body will follow. – Steve Martin, LA Story

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    On a side note... I personally think that the CEROC X category and it's equivalents in other competitions should only be for non-teachers too...

    At the moment most competitions are like the Football with the same faces winning everything every year... It's always nice to see a Cardiff or the like making an appearance... Rather than man Utd/Chelsea etc. momopoly!!

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    On a side note... I personally think that the CEROC X category and it's equivalents in other competitions should only be for non-teachers too...

    At the moment most competitions are like the Football with the same faces winning everything every year... It's always nice to see a Cardiff or the like making an appearance... Rather than man Utd/Chelsea etc. momopoly!!
    lmao... I'm a teacher, but I'm more Cardiff than Man U. My partner however...

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Billi Wiz View Post
    On a side note... I personally think that the CEROC X category and it's equivalents in other competitions should only be for non-teachers too...

    At the moment most competitions are like the Football with the same faces winning everything every year... It's always nice to see a Cardiff or the like making an appearance... Rather than man Utd/Chelsea etc. momopoly!!
    I agree.
    Ceroc X is beginers moves and would have been a fantastic way to introduce beginers to competitions.

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    - Now that made me smile... Thanks CJ!!

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ View Post
    lmao... I'm a teacher, but I'm more Cardiff than Man U. My partner however...
    Cardiff...........Nots County my friend Nots County

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Partick bleedin thistle myself...

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    Quote Originally Posted by Achaeco View Post
    Cardiff...........Nots County my friend Nots County


    ya c..........anary!!!

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    Re: "The Ceroc Champs are fixed"

    so does Nots County have a footy team now?

    Never heard of them, could be they should compete in intermediate

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