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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zara View Post
    I could not afford to live. After my rent, utility bills and food, I had -£10 per week. Add onto that having some sort of life and clothing allowance for my son and I, I was soon going £100 into debt a month. Living on benefits was not sustainable for me.
    You paid rent? Mine was paid for me when I was claiming.

    I've got a horrible feeling you were struggling needlessly if you were paying your own rent out of your benefits.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Trouble View Post
    You paid rent? Mine was paid for me when I was claiming.

    I've got a horrible feeling you were struggling needlessly if you were paying your own rent out of your benefits.
    I recieved housing benefit, child benefit, income support, tax credits and child maitenence. I claimed eveything I was able to, but still it didnt cover our basic needs.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zara View Post
    I disagree, someones social situation is quite likely to be tied to their class, and because lower classes do not recieve equal oppurtunities in life, there employment status may well reflect that. Many people like to think class is a myth and an out of date notion that doesnt exist any more. But I think thats just optimism.
    It's a fact - class does not exist as it once did. Please explain : What/Who exactly is a lower class ? and where in life do "they" not get equal opportunities ? I think you are talking about certain social groups perhaps tied to location, wealth or work prospects - not the same thing as "class" at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreary Scathe
    It really isn't, even the lowest paid jobs provide a good life. Its hard to buy a house but then thats a new concept in itself - it used to be rare to own a house.
    A good life? Your having a laugh if you think living on the poverty line is a 'good life'.
    I said "lowest paid jobs" - minimum wage is there to keep people OFF of the poverty line. I don't imagine living in poverty is a good life, but thats your words, not mine.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe View Post
    It's a fact - class does not exist as it once did. Please explain : What/Who exactly is a lower class ? and where in life do "they" not get equal opportunities ? I think you are talking about certain social groups perhaps tied to location, wealth or work prospects - not the same thing as "class" at all.
    Families who live on sink estates and/or who have attended sink schools.

    Disabled parents who tend to be long term claimants.

    Families on benefits. The benefits are below the poverty line, otherwise why would the government say millions of children are living in poverty?

    Refugees who've had to flee from their country.

    Claimants who have their benefits stopped if they do not go on "back to work" schemes where companies have working for free. The worker gets an extra £10 on top of benefits for a 40 hour week on a building site.

    People in depressed areas where there is no work.

    16 to 18 years olds - no benefit

    18 - 25 year olds - less benefit than 25 years plus.

    pensioners on a state pension

    the homeless. Council housing waiting lists have doubled.


    I said "lowest paid jobs" - minimum wage is there to keep people OFF of the poverty line. I don't imagine living in poverty is a good life, but thats your words, not mine.
    So why do unions campaign for a Living Wage?

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    We still have a class system in this country, IMHO.

    It's just that a) it's not the same class system we had before WWII, and b) it's like soap, the harder you try to grasp the subject the more slipper it becomes.

    A child born to a 'working class' family can go to university and become a surgeon, thus transforming himself pretty much to what is probably now 'upper class'. Similar things can happen in reverse.

    It's money that determines your class. We really have four classes now: those on benefits; those who have no surplus income; those who have surplus income; and those who are independently wealthy. Each 'class' have pretty much different lifestyles and that's what class is all about.

    An 18C landowner could live all winter in the country, spend the season in London and Bath, and never give a blind thought to where his money was coming from. But even he wasn't 'upper class', because for that you needed a title. Lord this, Sir that, Baron the other.

    But there are still contradictions. David Beckham is independently wealthy; unless they've been very daft he and Victoria have no need to work any more. Can't call them 'upper class' though, can you? The Marquis of Bath, on the other hand, works quite hard to ensure his Longleat estate produces enough income for him and his family - can't call him 'working class', either.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    We still have a class system in this country, IMHO.It's money that determines your class. We really have four classes now: those on benefits; those who have no surplus income; those who have surplus income; and those who are independently wealthy. Each 'class' have pretty much different lifestyles and that's what class is all about.
    Seems only the independantly wealthy have surplus income nowadays.
    All the rest seem to survive on credit.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    It's money that determines your class.
    And education. Hence your working class boy becoming posh, but not Posh and Becks.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shnikov View Post
    We still have a class system in this country, IMHO.
    Its not a distinct class system the lines are very blurred indeed.

    It's money that determines your class. We really have four classes now: those on benefits; those who have no surplus income; those who have surplus income; and those who are independently wealthy. Each 'class' have pretty much different lifestyles and that's what class is all about.
    Money used to have little to do with class, but I see what you mean. However I'm not sure i could call those catagories a class, they are too vague. One could change class very quickly based on that criteria. And the lifestyles are not fixed for that class, you'd have a hard job identifying who is a member of what. Surely they are transient labels rather than a "class".

    An 18C landowner could live all winter in the country, spend the season in London and Bath, and never give a blind thought to where his money was coming from. But even he wasn't 'upper class', because for that you needed a title. Lord this, Sir that, Baron the other.
    He would probably see himself that way. I remember reading about Beatrix Potters parents, landowners who disapproved of their daughters marriage to a publisher, when she should marry within her own class. That sort of class system no longer exists.

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Back on topic ... which was, I believe, the notion that:
    some long term unemployed
    sometimes resort to having children,
    sometimes not because they want, or even care about children, but sometimes in order to claim more benefits.

    Although I personally disagree with this Tory Councillor's idea, I certainly can see where he is coming from.

    I do believe that our society has become (and is likely getting more) soft on people. Some Human rights stuff simply goes too far. We hera so much about Human Rights, and so little about Human Privileges or Human Responsibilities or ..... simply said .... simple, old fashioned respect.

    Point in case .... having kids for money, simply implies warped values. I consider having children both a privilege, and a responsibility .... certainly not a Human Right. It would be lovely to have a child .... and if I don't ... or can't, for whatever reason, that, then is my path.

    I have no time for people who complain about the Health Service, because they have failed to help them have a baby. Sorry mate ... life is tough .... accept it!

    Sadly, I believe that the Social Welfare scheme tries to eliminate pain and discomfort from existence .... quite frankly a fruitless not to mention counter productive exercise. The more that we learn that life is difficult; that pain and discomfort (like joy and pleasure) is an intrinsic part, the simpler it gets.

    [end of rant]

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    ........All the rest seem to survive on credit.
    no!

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    Re: Sterilisation of all unemployed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dep View Post
    It fits the idea of:- is this the third consecutive generation of child abusers?
    I'd do likewise with them as well.

    There's a bit of Nazi in me somewhere.
    Is that just a random idea IF there were families with three generations of abusers or do you have some evidence of such?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    I think we should sterilise everyone I don't like and everyone who disagrees with me.
    I completely disagree with you (but could you get my husband done instead because it's all his fault that we have four and I'm sure you wouldn't like him... )

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