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    Re: Preps – good or bad?

    [quote=Steven666;461043]That's just rubbish when referring to a meer step forward as what me (and I think) geb were referring to.

    I completely agree. I feel like theres a few too many things blamed on the lead here when IMO its out of their control. When leading a turn all I should do is raise my hand, if my follower turns in 3/4 or 1 1/4 beats, I don't see how I can change that?

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    Re: Preps – good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    So how do you cope with this pre-emptive stepping forward by the follower?
    Most followers won't pre-empt if they feel the kind of constant lead that Lory's talking about. If they do, adapt more.

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    We always realise it. Well well should. But too much constant correction can be a bit annoying.
    It's not constant correction so much as constant adaptation, and it works both ways. It's a part of the essence of connection - and personally, I don't find it 'a bit annoying' - I find it a joy.

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    Re: Preps – good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    When leading a turn all I should do is raise my hand
    Raising your hand is a lead for the follower to raise their hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straycat264 View Post
    It's not constant correction so much as constant adaptation, and it works both ways. It's a part of the essence of connection - and personally, I don't find it 'a bit annoying' - I find it a joy.
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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    We always realise it. Well well should. But too much constant correction can be a bit annoying. But having to correct ; is that down to sloppy turns/returns by the follower or sloppy leads of turns/returns by the lead?

    That must be it - I'm SLOPPY!

    Thanks for explaining 'why' I enjoy dancing with men who prep... its clearly because they're compensating for my sloppyness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    if my follower turns in 3/4 or 1 1/4 beats, I don't see how I can change that?
    The million & one dollar question!

    Or 1/4 or 3/4 turn?

    Will anyone fully answer?
    Last edited by Steven666; 19th-March-2008 at 02:13 PM.

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    That must be it - I'm SLOPPY!
    I never said that, specifically.

    As I see it, if your not facing the exact same direction after a return as you were facing before the return then who's fault is it?

    How much control of a return does a lead really have, assuming no manhandling?

    What other factor's come into play?

    - Has the availble space after stepping forward to return been taken so you can't step back, so you after the direction/allignment.
    - Is the lead purposefully leading you so you don't face the same way you started (for whatever reason)
    - Is the follow not spinning on one foot? A walkaround return usually meaning the folower slightly drifts to the left IME.

    There's no simple answer.

    But...

    So do YOU think you are sloppy? (that's is the real & only question that's needs answering, total bliss &/or ignorance takes care of the rest)
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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    As I see it, if your not facing the exact same direction after a return as you were facing before the return then who's fault is it?
    What's this got to do with 'prepping'?


    (prepping = preparing/setting someone up, for a turn/move)
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    Re: Preps – good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    The million & one dollar question!

    Will anyone fully answer?
    OK. It's a matter of connection. In a fully connected dance, each party is completely aware at all times (except when there's no physical contact, and sometimes even then) of where their partner is, what he / she is doing. A follower doesn't have to think about what her partner is leading - she can feel it at every single moment, and he can feel how she's responding to that. A follower will only pre-empt if they don't feel that.

    So the question isn't how to act if she pre-empts the step forwards, or turns at a speed that you weren't anticipating when you raised your hand. The question is how do you establish that continuous lead that ensures she doesn't pre-empt your intentions, that ensures she's aware of the speed you want her to turn, and that you feel at once how she's using that information (this is a very good example of the value of a prep - you can know all that before the turn's even started).

    The trick, in short, is learning to communicate. Not just at the moment you want something, but constantly.

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    What's this got to do with 'prepping'?


    (prepping = preparing/setting someone up, for a turn/move)
    How was this thread created again?

    I was just going off the point to reply to a statement.

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    How much control of a return does a lead really have, assuming no manhandling?
    Actually if it is led properly the lead has a huge amount of control over the return its all done with the feel of the pressure through the fingertips i know exactly where the follower is going to end up when doing a return

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
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    So do YOU think you are sloppy? (that's is the real & only question that's needs answering, total bliss &/or ignorance takes care of the rest)
    No, I didn't think so but then again, I'm not the best person to be the judge or answer that
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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    No, I didn't think so but then again, I'm not the best person to be the judge or answer that
    If you don't think so, then you're not.

    Incidently I'll admit that I know I am sloppy when following returns, but I'm just a beginner. I accept that, for now.
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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    No, I didn't think so but then again, I'm not the best person to be the judge or answer that
    can i be the judge???

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    Actually if it is led properly the lead has a huge amount of control over the return its all done with the feel of the pressure through the fingertips i know exactly where the follower is going to end up when doing a return
    So do I. And I adjust my allignment to suit without even thinking about it.

    But the point geb made firstly (which started this) was talk of followers pre-empting. If someone pre-empts and turns too quickly AND preempts the step back before the close of the beat, how do you tackle that?

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    can i be the judge???
    If you like
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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    If you like
    woooooooohoooo

    ok i will tell you this lory my love
    your one of the most precise followers i have ever danced with

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    [QUOTE=Steven666;461093]If you don't think so, then you're not.

    Um - but by the same token aren't you then declaring that if someone thinks they're a great lead then they must be a great lead... that logic doesn't make sense to me (slightly off-topic though so I'll shut up now...)

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    So do I. And I adjust my allignment to suit without even thinking about it.

    But the point geb made firstly (which started this) was talk of followers pre-empting. If someone pre-empts and turns too quickly AND preempts the step back before the close of the beat, how do you tackle that?
    follow the follower and dance with your partner not in spite of them

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    Re: What would attract you to a new venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jive-vee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven666 View Post
    If you don't think so, then you're not.
    Um - but by the same token aren't you then declaring that if someone thinks they're a great lead then they must be a great lead... that logic doesn't make sense to me (slightly off-topic though so I'll shut up now...)
    True. (omits physcological babble)

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    follow the follower and dance with your partner not in spite of them
    Also true. I don't dance with someone and just "put up" with them. I'd might as well just stop the dance or say no beforehand. Two things I don't do mind.
    Last edited by Steven666; 19th-March-2008 at 02:48 PM.

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