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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruella View Post
    I don't think this is a bad thing, it's what Ceroc do best and it means that JiveAddictions weekenders continue as offering something different for the more experienced dancer. Therefore they cater for different punters, so hopefully can both carry on their success without any need for being in competition with each other.
    Lack of competition isn't a bad thing at all for organisers and can reduce friction.

    It may or may not be so good for the customer though.

    In previous years the Ceroc Storm line up has been extremely impressive. I don't know if that has been related to perceived competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    Could also be related to the level of dancers going along. A few comments have indicated there were a higher proportion of less experienced dancers there.
    It makes complete sense for newer Ceroc weekenders, but was surprised when I downloaded the Storm 2008 schedule given Storm is Ceroc's biggest /longest running weekender - I would have expected the most experienced dancers.

    Perhaps it was found that, even given the previous very impressive line ups, those dancers most interested in that sort of class line-up still weren't being sufficiently attracted/retained. Perhaps a critical mass was needed ?


    Limiting taster classes may also help with gender balancing.

    The taster classes are by and large more attractive to women/less attractive to men.
    But if the limiting factor is the number of male tickets sold it isn't women's preferences that matter most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Just to cut through the speculation.... it was just a simple case of the right teachers being available to schedule in for WCS. They weren't, so there weren't any WCS classes - that's all there is to it.

    Thats sort of what i said, however the fact is when Paul F was available WCS classes were at 10am which means it`s is not thought of in the same regard as some of the lessons that are scheduled in the primetime slots, again when newbies like Lucky andRuby come along who go down really well with everyone both for their classes as much as their social skills then it`s inevitable they`ll be asked back....

    As for Lucky and Ruby: well they teach great classes with skill and enthusiasm and also love to socialise and freestyle (unlike some hotshot teachers I could mention...) so why wouldn't one use them on a w/ender if they are available??
    i`m slightly confused by this because i assumed that Our philosophy was that we had enough teachers/DJ`s? staff etc within Ceroc that we didn`t need to look outside our own circle.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    I don't understand this. From what I have read on here and what I have heard from others this Camber was really below par, so why be so excited about the next?
    Sweetie let me enlighten you What really mattered which is the atmosphere and feel good factor given off by the dancers.This Storm was electric! (and I had a very good view). See my Facebook paps To see what I Mean. ( Although you were both missed!!
    Last edited by Mac; 17th-March-2008 at 01:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    i`m slightly confused by this because i assumed that Our philosophy was that we had enough teachers/DJ`s? staff etc within Ceroc that we didn`t need to look outside our own circle.....
    Though Lucky and Ruby aren't CTA teachers though surely? Nothing wrong with bringing 'outside' teachers to big events like weekenders I would have thought. It worked extremely well with Lucky and Ruby, both their classes and attitude being a draw. So the same could be applied to WCS teachers, if Ceroc really wanted to offer WCS at their weekenders I'm sure they could find a teacher somewhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robd View Post
    I'd ask whether Ruby and Lucky are what the punters want or whether they are what the punters are getting and there is a distinction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    As for Lucky and Ruby: well they teach great classes with skill and enthusiasm and also love to socialise and freestyle (unlike some hotshot teachers I could mention...) so why wouldn't one use them on a w/ender if they are available??
    Personally although we found Lucky And Ruby to be teachers of a very high standard we hated the routine they did for ballroom bash so didnt do any of their other classes
    It was great however to see them joining in other classes as punters and moving round in the line


    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    Could also be related to the level of dancers going along. A few comments have indicated there were a higher proportion of less experienced dancers there.
    It was stated on the website that this was a weekender for all levels of dancing including people who had never been to a ceroc (or mj ) night in their lives which is why they put on beginners classes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Sweetie let me enlighten you What really mattered which is the atmosphere and feel good factor given off by the dancers.This Storm was electric!
    A huge crowd of very excited and exciting people were there including some of the best dancers i have ever seen in my 9 yrs of ceroc (spikey steve to name just one)

    the people who did attend didnt seem like they were all in competition with each other it was a tremendous social atmosphere with some great teachers such as Franck (you can pay me later ) doing some really interesting and fun classes with the emphasis on fun
    It amazes me how many people who didnt go are commenting on something they didnt experience it would be a bit like me commenting on utopia which i understand from people i know to be great but i still dont have the right to pass judgement

    I want to say a huge thankyou to the organisers, the teachers and the staff at Storm for giving my wife myself and our friends a great weekend away for very little money

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    Re: Storm Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Sweetie let me enlighten you What really mattered which is the atmosphere and feel good factor given off by the dancers.This Storm was electric! (and I had a very good view). See my Facebook paps To see what I Mean. ( Although you were both missed!!
    Thanks honey. There are always two sides to weekenders. The social side is never going to be a disappointment. Catching up with friends who you only get a chance to see at weekenders. They are worth going to for that reason alone so maybe that's where the excitement for the next one comes in.

    Checked out the paps -they were great.

    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post

    It amazes me how many people who didn't go are commenting on something they didn't experience it would be a bit like me commenting on utopia which i understand from people i know to be great but i still dont have the right to pass judgement
    Passing judgement?

    You never read cinema reviews then to help you make a decision about a film? Part of the point of reviews and aftermath threads is to paint a picture for the people who were not there. That was very apparent by the comments after Swish.

    Just seems strange to moan and bitch about the event and then be so excited about the next one. But like i said above I guess that's due to the social aspect more than anything.

    So pleased you and yours had such a great time though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    Passing judgement?

    You never read cinema reviews then to help you make a decision about a film? Part of the point of reviews and aftermath threads is to paint a picture for the people who were not there. That was very apparent by the comments after Swish.

    Just seems strange to moan and bitch about the event and then be so excited about the next one. But like i said above I guess that's due to the social aspect more than anything.
    good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyFunkster View Post
    Thats sort of what i said, however the fact is when Paul F was available WCS classes were at 10am which means it`s is not thought of in the same regard as some of the lessons that are scheduled in the primetime slots, again when newbies like Lucky andRuby come along who go down really well with everyone both for their classes as much as their social skills then it`s inevitable they`ll be asked back....
    That is sort of what you said Steve, but then my post wasn't really directed at you as more the other people who were just involved in unsubstantiated speculation.

    As regards scheduling, I think you'll find pretty much all beginners classes are scheduled first thing on the basis that most beginners don't stay up dancing until the early hours of the morning. On this basis they are more likely to be able to get up to do the class. I know that's a generilisation but someone has to do the early classes! In addition the scheduling, wherever possible, also tends to reflect the teacher's social habits - that's why you'll never see us scheduled before around 2pm in the afternoon...

    So it is less to do with 'perceived' importance and more to do with just simple logistics.
    Last edited by Lory; 17th-March-2008 at 01:14 PM. Reason: fixed quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twirlie Bird View Post
    You never read cinema reviews then to help you make a decision about a film? Part of the point of reviews and aftermath threads is to paint a picture for the people who were not there. That was very apparent by the comments after Swish.

    Just seems strange to moan and bitch about the event and then be so excited about the next one. But like i said above I guess that's due to the social aspect more than anything.

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    I think some people have made their mind up before they read a review and in fact some reviewers have made up their mind before they watch a film or event. This way they look for only the parts of the film or review that confirm their preconceived ideas be them good or bad.

    I also believe that two people can read the same review and end up with a totally different view of what the review is trying to state.

    Such is communication.

    I think there is also a case that people like to read what other people have enjoyed and finding how it can vastly differ from their own experience.

    I agree people like to moan and bitch.

    Steve

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    My immediate thought after Storm, much like some on here, was that the standard was lower than the previous two Storms, but on reflection, I'm not sure that was true.

    What muddied the waters a bit was the sheer number of people on this weekender and where they danced.
    Unlike Southport, all the good dancers didn't automatically end up in the Blues room. And I don't know how many attended (1600?), but it seemed more to me than the previous two Storms. Those two factors mean't the good dancers were spread out more and kinda swallowed up by sheer numbers.
    The effect was, I think, to make it seem a lower standard when in fact, there were oddles of good dancers there. Certainly I never ran out of inspiring dancers to chase

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    The whole thing is subjective. So many different people, all wanting and expecting different things from a weekender.

    I wonder how many of the 1600 actually went home having had an absolutely awful time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiky Steve View Post
    I agree people like to moan and bitch.Steve
    It is such a shame, when personally I had a fabulous time, to come back to people slating it. Sort of burst the bubble a little .

    ....but remember, critics sometimes get it wrong too!

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    Re: Storm Aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Jay View Post


    It is such a shame, when personally I had a fabulous time, to come back to people slating it. Sort of burst the bubble a little .
    Don't be sad. Look.....


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    Had a brilliant weekend.
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    great weekend
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    Had a fab weekend
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    I had a fabby weekend.
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    I had a fab time,
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    Had a fabulous time at Storm,
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    Really great weekend..
    Fab weekend.. roll on the next one...
    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    was an amazing weekend
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    Had a truly fab weekend!

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    Had a very mixed weekend.
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    Myself and Lucille plus a couple of dance friends we were with had a fantastic time over the whole weekend.
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    Well, that was my first visit to Camber and I really enjoyed it – one of my favourite weekenders so far!
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    my best weekender ever
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    Fab weekend.
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    What a great weekend.
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    Much more good than bad
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    I had an awesome Camber Storm 2008.
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    Well...i had an ace time at Storm.
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    .the weekend for me completely blew my mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Batgirl View Post
    I had a fab time!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Jay View Post
    ....but remember, critics sometimes get it wrong too!
    But they didn't get it wrong. They didn't enjoy it, so they were correct in saying it wasn't a good weekend. Others, like you, had a great time so were also correct in saying it was a great weekend. It is possible for everyone to be right. Is it really necessary for people to be so defensive because others have a different experience/opinion of a weekender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lory View Post
    Don't be sad. Look.....
    Point taken.......and I have lots of good memories which will stay with me whatever

    Quote Originally Posted by Cruella View Post
    But they didn't get it wrong. They didn't enjoy it, so they were correct in saying it wasn't a good weekend. Others, like you, had a great time so were also correct in saying it was a great weekend. It is possible for everyone to be right. Is it really necessary for people to be so defensive because others have a different experience/opinion of a weekender?
    Point taken too......but you know what it's like when you really enjoy something like a film, you rave about it and others are telling you it's absolute rubbish, it belittles your opinion somewhat! Not being defensive just defending the weekend from my POV that was all, like I said before -it is very subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruella View Post
    But they didn't get it wrong. They didn't enjoy it, so they were correct in saying it wasn't a good weekend. Others, like you, had a great time so were also correct in saying it was a great weekend. It is possible for everyone to be right. Is it really necessary for people to be so defensive because others have a different experience/opinion of a weekender?
    I agree BUT my comments were not about the people who were there said didnt enjoy it they have every right to an opinion because they experienced it.
    The ones who annoy me are those who didnt go therefore didnt experience then took a what seems to be a minority's opinon and slated the weekend with no first hand knowledge about it at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by martingold View Post
    The ones who annoy me are those who didnt go therefore didnt experience then took a what seems to be a minority's opinon and slated the weekend with no first hand knowledge about it at all
    Martin, can you quote the posts in this thread that fall into the above category? I don't have time to go back over it all but I have read them all as they've appeared and I see none matching the description you give above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Jay
    I wonder how many of the 1600.............
    How many ??????????????????


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    Re: Storm Aftermath

    As far as dancing is concerned IMO it is all about being in the right place at the right time........

    I missed Friday night, so I can't comment on that, however on Saturday night I wasn't feeling very well so didn't surface until 1am !!! Therefore I think I missed lots (especially Franck & Sheena) and felt tired about 4am so left AND missed Sheena's set and some fab dances with Franck

    HOWEVER, I was in the Queen Vic Sunday afternoon (thankfully) and that was fab, it was really buzzing

    Sunday night appeared to be very slow in starting, downstairs was empty, upstairs was about half full, when I left about 9:30pm, so missed the best part of the evening I never even saw Mini Mac and never got to meet martingold

    Roll on VLV - gonna make sure I do the whole weekend this time !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    How many ??????????????????
    Actually I have it on good info that it was 1700! with only three chalets left unsold!! Thats Scary!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie M View Post
    I missed Friday night, so I can't comment on that, however on Saturday night I wasn't feeling very well so didn't surface until 1am and felt tired about 4am so left
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